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		<title>{ISSUES &gt; BIAS AND BALANCE} - Savage on Muslim immigrants: 15th-century "throwbacks, some of whom are no doubt terrorists, and some of whom are gonna produce children who will become terrorists"</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:59:28 GMT</pubDate>
		<description>During the September 16 broadcast of The Savage Nation,
host Michael Savage discussed what
a caller described as
"the garbage that comes in here legally." The caller stated, "[W]e talk about
illegal aliens, but we tend to forget the garbage that comes in here legally. Like, I just moved to D.C., and all these Muslim fundamentalists, I
mean, they walk around Northern Virginia as if
they own the place."
Savage responded: "All right, well,
they do own the place --
they spit on Americans. They
look at you with hatred if you're not wearing 14th- to 15th-century
garb." Savage went on to add: "Why would a nation that is as evolved
as America, and as liberal
as America
is socially, want to bring in throwbacks who are living in the 15th century?
Now you have to ask yourself, what's the benefit? What is the societal benefit of bringing in
throwbacks, some of whom are no doubt
terrorists, and some of whom are gonna produce children who will become
terrorists?"

As Media Matters for
America noted, on the August 4 broadcast of The Savage Nation, while discussing the
Italian government's decision to deploy soldiers on city streets to combat
violent crime for which, according to The New York Times,
"illegal immigrants are broadly blamed,"
Savage stated: "Things are so bad in Europe that the Italians have put
soldiers, military on their streets. Now, you have to understand what it means
by things are so bad. The illegal immigrants, mainly Muslims and Africans, are
out of control." He then added: "So they've done there what we need
to do here. We need to get our troops out of Iraq
and put them on the streets of America
to protect us from the scourge of illegal immigrants who are running rampant
across America, killing our
police for sport, raping, murdering like a scythe across America while the liberal psychos
are telling us they come here to work."

Talk Radio Network, which syndicates Savage's show, claims that Savage
is heard on more than 350 radio stations. The Savage Nation reaches at
least 8.25 million listeners each week, according to Talkers Magazine,
making it one of the most listened-to talk radio shows in the nation, behind
only The Rush Limbaugh
Show and The Sean Hannity Show.

From the September
16 broadcast of Talk Radio Network's The Savage Nation: 


CALLER: I mean, yeah, we talk about illegal aliens,
but we tend to forget the garbage that comes in here legally. Like, I just moved to D.C.,
and all these Muslim fundamentalists, I mean, they walk around Northern Virginia as if they own the place.

SAVAGE: All right, well, they do own the place -- they spit on Americans. They look at you with hatred if you're
not wearing 14th- to 15th-century garb, and they spit on the ground. Now the question is why Bush is bringing in so
many of them --
isn't that the question?

CALLER: Absolutely.  Absolutely.

SAVAGE: You'll have to ask the
genius himself. Why
would a nation that is as evolved as America,
and as liberal as America
is socially, want to bring in throwbacks who are living in the 15th century?
Now you have to ask yourself, what's the benefit? What is the societal benefit of bringing in
throwbacks, some of whom are no doubt
terrorists, and some of whom are gonna produce children who will become
terrorists? Why would you want to bring them into the country? Isn't that
common sense, a commonsensical
question? Well go ask George Bush --
he may have an answer for it.

CALLER: I doubt --

SAVAGE: I don't have an -- don't you understand? I'm gonna give you the shrug now -- the shoulders go up -- I go, uh, what do I know? How do I have an
answer for George Bush's genius? I know that many Republicans
think he has a plan for
everything and in the end
he's gonna show the genius that he really is. Thanks. We need more Muslims. I think we should have
more throwbacks brought in with burkas and things of that nature who refuse to
adapt to America
or do as Americans do.
We need more of them in every community, as many as we can get, particularly young, disenfranchised males. That's what we -- really, really need right now. 

    
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<td width="100%" style="font:9pt Verdana,Arial,Sans-serif;vertical-align:top;"><span style="color:#808080;font-variant:small-caps;">Mediamatters.Org</span> - During the September 16 broadcast of The Savage Nation,
host Michael Savage discussed what
a caller described as
"the garbage that comes in here legally." The caller stated, "[W]e talk about
illegal aliens, but we tend to forget the garbage that comes in here legally. Like, I just moved to D.C., and all these Muslim fundamentalists, I
mean, they walk around Northern Virginia as if
they own the place."
Savage responded: "All right, well,
they do own the place --
they spit on Americans. They
look at you with hatred if you're not wearing 14th- to 15th-century
garb." Savage went on to add: "Why would a nation that is as evolved
as America, and as liberal
as America
is socially, want to bring in throwbacks who are living in the 15th century?
Now you have to ask yourself, what's the benefit? What is the societal benefit of bringing in
throwbacks, some of whom are no doubt
terrorists, and some of whom are gonna produce children who will become
terrorists?"

As Media Matters for
America noted, on the August 4 broadcast of The Savage Nation, while discussing the
Italian government's decision to deploy soldiers on city streets to combat
violent crime for which, according to The New York Times,
"illegal immigrants are broadly blamed,"
Savage stated: "Things are so bad in Europe that the Italians have put
soldiers, military on their streets. Now, you have to understand what it means
by things are so bad. The illegal immigrants, mainly Muslims and Africans, are
out of control." He then added: "So they've done there what we need
to do here. We need to get our troops out of Iraq
and put them on the streets of America
to protect us from the scourge of illegal immigrants who are running rampant
across America, killing our
police for sport, raping, murdering like a scythe across America while the liberal psychos
are telling us they come here to work."

Talk Radio Network, which syndicates Savage's show, claims that Savage
is heard on more than 350 radio stations. The Savage Nation reaches at
least 8.25 million listeners each week, according to Talkers Magazine,
making it one of the most listened-to talk radio shows in the nation, behind
only The Rush Limbaugh
Show and The Sean Hannity Show.

From the September
16 broadcast of Talk Radio Network's The Savage Nation: 


CALLER: I mean, yeah, we talk about illegal aliens,
but we tend to forget the garbage that comes in here legally. Like, I just moved to D.C.,
and all these Muslim fundamentalists, I mean, they walk around Northern Virginia as if they own the place.

SAVAGE: All right, well, they do own the place -- they spit on Americans. They look at you with hatred if you're
not wearing 14th- to 15th-century garb, and they spit on the ground. Now the question is why Bush is bringing in so
many of them --
isn't that the question?

CALLER: Absolutely.  Absolutely.

SAVAGE: You'll have to ask the
genius himself. Why
would a nation that is as evolved as America,
and as liberal as America
is socially, want to bring in throwbacks who are living in the 15th century?
Now you have to ask yourself, what's the benefit? What is the societal benefit of bringing in
throwbacks, some of whom are no doubt
terrorists, and some of whom are gonna produce children who will become
terrorists? Why would you want to bring them into the country? Isn't that
common sense, a commonsensical
question? Well go ask George Bush --
he may have an answer for it.

CALLER: I doubt --

SAVAGE: I don't have an -- don't you understand? I'm gonna give you the shrug now -- the shoulders go up -- I go, uh, what do I know? How do I have an
answer for George Bush's genius? I know that many Republicans
think he has a plan for
everything and in the end
he's gonna show the genius that he really is. Thanks. We need more Muslims. I think we should have
more throwbacks brought in with burkas and things of that nature who refuse to
adapt to America
or do as Americans do.
We need more of them in every community, as many as we can get, particularly young, disenfranchised males. That's what we -- really, really need right now. 

    
<blockquote style="background:#FAFAFA;border:1px dotted #E6E6E6;font:italic 10pt Times New Roman;padding:9px;">Media Matters - Savage on Muslim immigrants: 15th-century "throwbacks, some of whom are no doubt terrorists, and some of whom are gonna produce children who will become terrorists" {...} On The Savage Nation , discussing a caller&#39;s statement that "Muslim fundamentalists" are "walk[ing] around Northern Virginia as if they own the place," Michael Savage asked, "Why would a nation that is as evolved as America, and as liberal as America is socially, want to bring in throwbacks who are living in the 15th century?" He also asked: "What is the societal benefit of bringing in throwbacks, some of whom are no doubt terrorists, and some of whom are gonna produce children who will become terrorists?"   {...}</blockquote><div style="font:8pt Verdana,Arial;vertical-align:top;"><span style="color:#808080;">Published:</span> September 18, 2008, 2:59 pm - <span style="color:#808080;">Indexed:</span> September 19, 2008, 11:14 am - <span style="color:#808080;">Page Size:</span>&nbsp;22KB</div><div style="font:8pt Verdana,Arial;vertical-align:top;"><span style="color:#808080;">Category:</span> <a href="http://www.world-of-newave.info/society/">Society</a> &gt; <a href="http://www.world-of-newave.info/society/issues/">Issues</a> &gt; <a href="http://www.world-of-newave.info/society/issues/business/">Business</a> &gt; <a href="http://www.world-of-newave.info/society/issues/business/media/">Media</a> &gt;  <a href="http://www.world-of-newave.info/society/issues/business/media/bias-and-balance/"><b>Bias and Balance</b></a></div></td></tr></table>
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		<title>{ISSUES &gt; BIAS AND BALANCE} - Media advance claim -- not made by McCain -- that he can't use a computer or send email because of war injuries</title>
		<link>http://articles.world-of-newave.info/society/issues/business/media/bias-and-balance/media-advance-claim-not-made-by-mccain-that-he-can-20080952928.htm</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 02:05:44 GMT</pubDate>
		<description>Since Sen. Barack Obama's campaign released an ad
asserting that Sen. John McCain "admits he still doesn't know how
to use a computer,
can't send an email," several figures on Fox News and talk-radio hosts have claimed that McCain does not use a computer or email because of injuries
he sustained during his service in the Vietnam War. But the McCain campaign itself reportedly did not cite his war injuries in connection
with his computer habits, and a campaign spokesman reportedly responded to the Obama ad by saying that
"John McCain travels with a laptop." 

Moreover, after saying in February that he is a computer "illiterate," McCain
reportedly told The New York Times
in a July 11 interview,
"I am learning to get online myself, and I will have that down fairly
soon, getting on myself," adding, "I use the Blackberry, but I
don't e-mail, I've never felt the particular need to e-mail. I read
e-mails all the time, but the communications that I have with my friends and
staff are oral and done with my cell phone." According to the transcript provided by the Times, McCain made no mention of his war
injuries in discussing his computer use.

On the September 15 edition of MSNBC Live, Republican strategist Ron
Christie asserted, "[T]he fact of the matter is, while Senator Obama was
a young man, Senator McCain was being beaten and tortured in a jail. That's why
he can't type." Correspondent David Shuster responded: "No, no, no,
no. That's not true. We have established that John McCain can type. He suffered
grave injuries from being a POW, but his inability to type is not one of them.
Well, we've heard from John McCain himself that he can type."

In addition to Christie, other examples of
media figures advancing the claim that McCain is unable to use a computer due
to his war injuries include:

On the September 16 edition of
     Fox News' Fox &amp; Friends,
     co-host Steve Doocy asserted: "The ad we're running right
     here, about how he doesn't email, it turns out he doesn't email because of
     his -- the injuries he sustained while being tortured by the North
     Vietnamese." Media Research Council president L. Brent Bozell III
     replied, "That's where opposition research has got to be a
     little bit more accurate before they do an ad."


On the September 15 edition of
     Fox News' America's
     Newsroom, anchor Bill Hemmer repeatedly asked Obama spokesman
     Bill Burton whether he was "aware" that McCain is
     "unable to type on a keyboard" because of his war injuries,
     and ignored Burton's
     response that McCain "had specifically said that he was learning how
     to use
     a computer."
     Some of the questions Hemmer asked Burton included: "Did it
     occur to you that he can't use a keyboard effectively because of
     Vietnam War wounds he suffered for five and a half years of
     captivity?"; "Back to the point, did you know he can't
     use a key[board]?"; "Did it occur to
     you that the injuries he suffered in the Hanoi Hilton is the reason
     why?"; "So you're saying that you weren't aware of
     that? That's your answer then, right?"; and "If he gave
     flesh for the country and you knew that he couldn't use a
     keyboard because his arms and shoulders were broken by the Viet Cong four
     decades ago, is that fair game?


Discussing Obama's ad on the September 15 edition
     of Fox News' Hannity and Colmes,
     co-host Sean Hannity started to say of McCain: "The reason he
     doesn't use a computer is 'cause --" Fox News contributor and
     columnist Dick Morris then interrupted, saying, "Because of the war
     injuries." Hannity replied, "Yeah, because of his war
     injuries."


On the September 15 edition of
     Fox News' The O'Reilly
     Factor, Fox News analyst Mary Katharine Ham asserted: "[W]e've seen several reports that McCain does go online. He
     does do certain things. His wife has to help him, because he has some war
     injuries that prevent him from actually going online. Now, this is
     undoubtedly unintentional on the Obama campaign's
     part, but it's a pretty boneheaded mistake when you're going
     negative." 


On the September 15 broadcast
     of his nationally syndicated radio show, G. Gordon Liddy asserted:
     "The ad by Obama says he doesn't know how to operate the
     Internet, he doesn't know how to send email. ... [W]hat they
     don't say is the terrible war and torture wounds that McCain
     suffered rendered him -- it's impossible for him to type." He
     continued: "He physically cannot do it. He knows how to do it, but
     he can't do it physically because of his terrible war wounds."


On the September 15 broadcast
     of KSFO's The Lee
     Rodgers Show, guest host Brian Sussman
     said of McCain: "Well, of course he
     can't use email, because he can't type on a keyboard.
     It's not his fault. If you want to blame anyone, blame Communism.
     It's the Communists, the captors in North Vietnam, that did this
     to him. But nonetheless, he is disabled. He can't manage a computer
     keyboard. He couldn't type when he was -- he can't do any of
     that, and therefore, he can't do email, right? He can't do
     email."


From the 4 p.m. ET hour of the September 15 edition of MSNBC Live:


CHRISTIE: David, you could try that, but to go
back on topic, if you want to talk about despicable, low-gutter
ads, let's talk about the ads what we're here to talk about. Senator Obama has
an ad out right now that
says that Senator McCain,
when he came in 1982, it's more of the same, and he can't use a typewriter and
he can't use email.

Well, the fact of the matter is,
while Senator Obama was a young man, Senator McCain was being beaten and
tortured in a jail. That's
why he can't type.

SHUSTER: Right, but he
can --

CHRISTIE: If you want
to talk about gutter politics,
David -- 

SHUSTER: No, no, no, no. That's not true. We have established that John McCain can type. He suffered grave
injuries from being a POW --

CHRISTIE: He can type, David, but he
says it is painful.

SHUSTER: -- but his
inability to type is not one of them. Well, we've --

CHRISTIE: David, that's not true. 

SHUSTER: -- heard from John McCain himself that he can
type.

CHRISTIE: David -- David
--

SHUSTER: But anyway,
Ron Christie --

CHRISTIE: David, the truth of the
matter is, he can type. It pains him. The McCain campaign has said that also, and Obama's trying
to say that he can't type.
He's not said that -- 

[crosstalk]

CHRIS KOFINIS (Democratic
strategist): You know -- Ron, you know as well as I do --

SHUSTER: Well, John McCain has not
said that, and the McCain campaign
hasn't said it until this week, but in any case, we gotta go.


From the September 16 edition of Fox News' Fox &amp; Friends:


DOOCY: Brent Bozell,
the president of the Media
 Research Center
joins us today. Good
morning to you, Brent. 

BOZELL: Good morning. How are you? 

DOOCY: We're going to try to cover a lot of
territory in three minutes. The
negative ads, are they working?

BOZELL: Well, negative ads as a rule tend to work,
but they can also backfire if you go too far. I think Obama's got a problem right now
because Obama wrapped himself around the aura that he wouldn't go negative, and
that ad he released yesterday -- now,
I think is the perfect symbiotic relationship. The media had been hammering John McCain
relentlessly, and here Obama runs an ad citing the media as a source. 

DOOCY: And you
know what? The ad we're running
right here, about how he doesn't email, it turns out he doesn't email because
of his -- the injuries
he sustained while being tortured by the North Vietnamese. 

BOZELL: That's where opposition research has
got to be a little bit more accurate before they do an ad.


From the September 15 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor:


HAM: Well, the deal with most negative ads is that they're, you know -- they can arguably said to be had a kernel of truth in them or they -- they --

O'REILLY: But these can't.

HAM: It's hard -- well, OK.
But here's -- the bigger problem with the Obama ad is that --
or the one against McCain for not being able to use a computer, is that, in
fact, we've seen several reports that McCain does go online. He does do certain
things. His wife has to help him, because he has some war injuries that prevent
him from actually going online.

Now, this is undoubtedly
unintentional on the Obama campaign's part, but it's a
pretty boneheaded mistake when you're going negative --

O'REILLY: Well --

HAM: -- and they happen to go
accidentally negative in the exact wrong way.


From the September 15 edition of Fox News' Hannity &
Colmes:


HANNITY: All right, let's start with
-- we even have an Obama ad out that literally accuses John McCain of being
dishonorable, using every name they can possibly come up with. They have
attacked him as being computer illiterate. The reason he doesn't use a computer
is 'cause -- 

MORRIS: Because of the war injuries.


HANNITY: Yeah, because of his war injuries.


From the 10 a.m.
ET hour of the September
15 edition of Fox News' America's Newsroom:


HEMMER: Can't use a computer; can't send an email; can't type on a keyboard. Bill Burton, spokesman for
the Obama team, with us
again from Chicago. Bill, good morning to you. Why was that important to
have that in the ad? 

BURTON: Well, that ad is important overall because it
says something about John McCain and how in touch he is with the American people's lives. You know, just today, just
moments before you and I started talking --

HEMMER: Did it occur to you that he can't use --

BURTON: Hold on one second, Bill. Just moments before you and I --

HEMMER: -- a keyboard effectively because of
Vietnam War wounds he
suffered for five and a
half years of captivity?

BURTON: One second, Bill, let me just answer your question.

HEMMER: Did you know that?

BURTON: Yeah, what -- just before -- so I can answer your question. Before -- just before you
and I started talking, John McCain said on stage that the fundamentals of our
economy are strong. And
so that ad, that talks about the fact that John McCain's out of touch, he
doesn't know how to use a computer, he can't send an email --

HEMMER: And he also said in the same sentence that, you know, Wall Street has
got issues, and if
I'm president, I'll clean this stuff up. Back to the point, did you know he
can't use a key --

BURTON: OK.

HEMMER: No, I'm
just quoting from what I'm reading from the --

BURTON: I understand that.

HEMMER: -- campaign
rally in Jacksonville, Florida --

BURTON: I understand that. But if John McCain thinks that the fundamentals --

HEMMER: -- just to finish
-- hang on, Bill -- my question. I'll get an answer out --

BURTON: -- of our economy are strong, then he should stand by
that comment. As for
your question about whether or not --

HEMMER: Please.

BURTON: -- he can use a computer, I read an interview with him
in The
New York Times, and another with him in the San Francisco Chronicle, where he said that he was in fact learning how to use a computer, and he was learning how to email, but he wasn't quite there yet. So it's clear that --

HEMMER: Did it occur to
you that the injuries he suffered in
the Hanoi Hilton is the reason why?

BURTON: Why he was still using -- learning how to use a computer?

HEMMER: Why -- and unable to type on
a keyboard. Were you
aware of that? 

BURTON: I think that I was aware of the fact that he
had specifically said that he was learning how to use a computer.
So I think that -- I
think that he ought to,
because the Internet is
the backbone --

HEMMER: So you're saying you weren't aware of that? That's
your answer then, right? 

BURTON: No, my answer is that if John McCain is so
out of touch with the American people's lives that he doesn't understand
what's going on, in their homes,
on their computers, doesn't understand how the Internet affects our economy, doesn't
understand that the fundamentals of our economy are not strong --

HEMMER: But if you knew
that he --

BURTON: -- we're
actually in a crisis, and has no plan to address it --

HEMMER: If you knew that
he gave flesh --

BURTON: -- then that's something that they should be able to stand up for.

HEMMER: If he gave flesh
for the country and you knew that he couldn't use a
keyboard because his arms and shoulders were broken by the Viet Cong four
decades ago, is that fair game? 

BURTON: Bill, I understand that you keep making this exact same point, but if he wasn't learning how to use a
computer and he wasn't learning
how to email, then why
did he -- 

HEMMER: I'm just asking: Yes or no. Is it fair game? 

BURTON: Bill, yes or no --

HEMMER: Do you think
that's below the belt or not?

BURTON: -- was he learning how to use a computer?

HEMMER: Are you -- correct, but I'm asking yes
or no?

BURTON: That's the exact point. Is
that --

HEMMER: All right, you're not
going to answer that. Let's
go to another point, OK? 


From the September 15 broadcast of Radio America's The G. Gordon Liddy Show:


CALLER: Yeah. The other thing is -- they're kind of mentioning
about McCain not knowing how to operate the Internet, et cetera. Well, I don't know if
you want to compare the movement of McCain at the memorial versus Obama. I don't think it makes
any difference if he can operate the Internet.

LIDDY: Well, now, here's the thing. The ad by Obama says he
doesn't know how to operate the Internet, he doesn't know how to
send email, and it shows the thing saying, saying -- what they don't say is the terrible war
and torture wounds that McCain suffered rendered him -- it's impossible for him to type. He physically cannot do it. He knows how to do it, but
he can't do it physically because of his terrible war wounds. And the Obama people ought
to be ashamed of themselves for that. Mark in South Dakota, real quick.


From the September 15 broadcast of KSFO's The Lee Rodgers Show:


SUSSMAN: You know how when John McCain stands before
his audience, there's that right arm of his that's all, just, goofy? Well, it's goofy because it was broken
in three places upon ejection from the plane over Hanoi, and his arm was also busted up in
several different places. And it -- the
arm and the leg were never properly set. They essentially mended of their own accord,
so he's all --
he's crippled up. He's
a disabled vet, but of course he would never tell you that. He would never tell you he's disabled,
because he's not that kind of a guy. But what's really interesting, because
of this disability, you --
if you've ever seen him salute, he can't snap off a salute like
everyone else.

If you have read some of his stories over the last
bunch of years -- I mean, many of us have known, the guy's arm is so -- his arms are so messed up,
and his shoulders are so messed up, in all -- in part also because, not just
that the plane crashed, but because for a long portion of his imprisonment, his
hands were tied behind his body in such a way that his shoulders just became permanently
mangled. So, he's
screwed up. He
can't comb his own hair. John
McCain, besides not being able to properly snap off a salute, he can't
even comb his own hair. Now,
last I looked, he doesn't have much to begin with, but he can't
comb what little he has. 

Something else he cannot do -- he cannot sit down at a
keyboard and type. It's
just -- he's
disabled. He
can't do that. So,
this has turned into this nonsense that, well, he can't even use email. Well, of course he
can't use email, because he can't type on a keyboard. It's not his fault. If you want to blame anyone,
blame Communism. It's the Communists,
the captors in North Vietnam, that did this to him.

But nonetheless, he is disabled. He can't manage a
computer keyboard. He couldn't type when he was -- he can't do any of that, and therefore,
he can't do email, right? He
can't do email. So
the Obama people have come up with an ad -- out with an ad, and they're
trying to make it look as if he's some kind of computer illiterate boob,
who is incapable of handling the rigors of emailing. That's what they're trying to do
here. This -- I'll tell you what. I hope that there are some
disabled groups --
groups that represent disabled people that will just make their voices heard
and go after the Obama people for being absolute hatemongers when it comes to
ads like this.

[begin audio
clip]


NARRATOR: 1982: John McCain goes to Washington. Things have
changed in the last 26 years, but McCain hasn't. He admits he still doesn't know
how to use a computer, can't send an email, still doesn't understand the
economy, and favors $200 billion in new tax cuts for corporations, but almost
nothing for the middle class. After
one president who was out of touch, we just can't afford more of the
same.

OBAMA: I'm Barack Obama, and I approve this
message.


[end audio
clip]

SUSSMAN: Barack Obama, you approve the message, and
guess what? You're
a hatemongering, low-class fool for putting that ad out. That is as low as it gets. Mr. Smiley, happy-face, slap-you-on-the-back Christian -- that was a low blow.

    
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<td width="100%" style="font:9pt Verdana,Arial,Sans-serif;vertical-align:top;"><span style="color:#808080;font-variant:small-caps;">Mediamatters.Org</span> - Since Sen. Barack Obama's campaign released an ad
asserting that Sen. John McCain "admits he still doesn't know how
to use a computer,
can't send an email," several figures on Fox News and talk-radio hosts have claimed that McCain does not use a computer or email because of injuries
he sustained during his service in the Vietnam War. But the McCain campaign itself reportedly did not cite his war injuries in connection
with his computer habits, and a campaign spokesman reportedly responded to the Obama ad by saying that
"John McCain travels with a laptop." 

Moreover, after saying in February that he is a computer "illiterate," McCain
reportedly told The New York Times
in a July 11 interview,
"I am learning to get online myself, and I will have that down fairly
soon, getting on myself," adding, "I use the Blackberry, but I
don't e-mail, I've never felt the particular need to e-mail. I read
e-mails all the time, but the communications that I have with my friends and
staff are oral and done with my cell phone." According to the transcript provided by the Times, McCain made no mention of his war
injuries in discussing his computer use.

On the September 15 edition of MSNBC Live, Republican strategist Ron
Christie asserted, "[T]he fact of the matter is, while Senator Obama was
a young man, Senator McCain was being beaten and tortured in a jail. That's why
he can't type." Correspondent David Shuster responded: "No, no, no,
no. That's not true. We have established that John McCain can type. He suffered
grave injuries from being a POW, but his inability to type is not one of them.
Well, we've heard from John McCain himself that he can type."

In addition to Christie, other examples of
media figures advancing the claim that McCain is unable to use a computer due
to his war injuries include:

On the September 16 edition of
     Fox News' Fox & Friends,
     co-host Steve Doocy asserted: "The ad we're running right
     here, about how he doesn't email, it turns out he doesn't email because of
     his -- the injuries he sustained while being tortured by the North
     Vietnamese." Media Research Council president L. Brent Bozell III
     replied, "That's where opposition research has got to be a
     little bit more accurate before they do an ad."


On the September 15 edition of
     Fox News' America's
     Newsroom, anchor Bill Hemmer repeatedly asked Obama spokesman
     Bill Burton whether he was "aware" that McCain is
     "unable to type on a keyboard" because of his war injuries,
     and ignored Burton's
     response that McCain "had specifically said that he was learning how
     to use
     a computer."
     Some of the questions Hemmer asked Burton included: "Did it
     occur to you that he can't use a keyboard effectively because of
     Vietnam War wounds he suffered for five and a half years of
     captivity?"; "Back to the point, did you know he can't
     use a key[board]?"; "Did it occur to
     you that the injuries he suffered in the Hanoi Hilton is the reason
     why?"; "So you're saying that you weren't aware of
     that? That's your answer then, right?"; and "If he gave
     flesh for the country and you knew that he couldn't use a
     keyboard because his arms and shoulders were broken by the Viet Cong four
     decades ago, is that fair game?


Discussing Obama's ad on the September 15 edition
     of Fox News' Hannity and Colmes,
     co-host Sean Hannity started to say of McCain: "The reason he
     doesn't use a computer is 'cause --" Fox News contributor and
     columnist Dick Morris then interrupted, saying, "Because of the war
     injuries." Hannity replied, "Yeah, because of his war
     injuries."


On the September 15 edition of
     Fox News' The O'Reilly
     Factor, Fox News analyst Mary Katharine Ham asserted: "[W]e've seen several reports that McCain does go online. He
     does do certain things. His wife has to help him, because he has some war
     injuries that prevent him from actually going online. Now, this is
     undoubtedly unintentional on the Obama campaign's
     part, but it's a pretty boneheaded mistake when you're going
     negative." 


On the September 15 broadcast
     of his nationally syndicated radio show, G. Gordon Liddy asserted:
     "The ad by Obama says he doesn't know how to operate the
     Internet, he doesn't know how to send email. ... [W]hat they
     don't say is the terrible war and torture wounds that McCain
     suffered rendered him -- it's impossible for him to type." He
     continued: "He physically cannot do it. He knows how to do it, but
     he can't do it physically because of his terrible war wounds."


On the September 15 broadcast
     of KSFO's The Lee
     Rodgers Show, guest host Brian Sussman
     said of McCain: "Well, of course he
     can't use email, because he can't type on a keyboard.
     It's not his fault. If you want to blame anyone, blame Communism.
     It's the Communists, the captors in North Vietnam, that did this
     to him. But nonetheless, he is disabled. He can't manage a computer
     keyboard. He couldn't type when he was -- he can't do any of
     that, and therefore, he can't do email, right? He can't do
     email."


From the 4 p.m. ET hour of the September 15 edition of MSNBC Live:


CHRISTIE: David, you could try that, but to go
back on topic, if you want to talk about despicable, low-gutter
ads, let's talk about the ads what we're here to talk about. Senator Obama has
an ad out right now that
says that Senator McCain,
when he came in 1982, it's more of the same, and he can't use a typewriter and
he can't use email.

Well, the fact of the matter is,
while Senator Obama was a young man, Senator McCain was being beaten and
tortured in a jail. That's
why he can't type.

SHUSTER: Right, but he
can --

CHRISTIE: If you want
to talk about gutter politics,
David -- 

SHUSTER: No, no, no, no. That's not true. We have established that John McCain can type. He suffered grave
injuries from being a POW --

CHRISTIE: He can type, David, but he
says it is painful.

SHUSTER: -- but his
inability to type is not one of them. Well, we've --

CHRISTIE: David, that's not true. 

SHUSTER: -- heard from John McCain himself that he can
type.

CHRISTIE: David -- David
--

SHUSTER: But anyway,
Ron Christie --

CHRISTIE: David, the truth of the
matter is, he can type. It pains him. The McCain campaign has said that also, and Obama's trying
to say that he can't type.
He's not said that -- 

[crosstalk]

CHRIS KOFINIS (Democratic
strategist): You know -- Ron, you know as well as I do --

SHUSTER: Well, John McCain has not
said that, and the McCain campaign
hasn't said it until this week, but in any case, we gotta go.


From the September 16 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends:


DOOCY: Brent Bozell,
the president of the Media
 Research Center
joins us today. Good
morning to you, Brent. 

BOZELL: Good morning. How are you? 

DOOCY: We're going to try to cover a lot of
territory in three minutes. The
negative ads, are they working?

BOZELL: Well, negative ads as a rule tend to work,
but they can also backfire if you go too far. I think Obama's got a problem right now
because Obama wrapped himself around the aura that he wouldn't go negative, and
that ad he released yesterday -- now,
I think is the perfect symbiotic relationship. The media had been hammering John McCain
relentlessly, and here Obama runs an ad citing the media as a source. 

DOOCY: And you
know what? The ad we're running
right here, about how he doesn't email, it turns out he doesn't email because
of his -- the injuries
he sustained while being tortured by the North Vietnamese. 

BOZELL: That's where opposition research has
got to be a little bit more accurate before they do an ad.


From the September 15 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor:


HAM: Well, the deal with most negative ads is that they're, you know -- they can arguably said to be had a kernel of truth in them or they -- they --

O'REILLY: But these can't.

HAM: It's hard -- well, OK.
But here's -- the bigger problem with the Obama ad is that --
or the one against McCain for not being able to use a computer, is that, in
fact, we've seen several reports that McCain does go online. He does do certain
things. His wife has to help him, because he has some war injuries that prevent
him from actually going online.

Now, this is undoubtedly
unintentional on the Obama campaign's part, but it's a
pretty boneheaded mistake when you're going negative --

O'REILLY: Well --

HAM: -- and they happen to go
accidentally negative in the exact wrong way.


From the September 15 edition of Fox News' Hannity &
Colmes:


HANNITY: All right, let's start with
-- we even have an Obama ad out that literally accuses John McCain of being
dishonorable, using every name they can possibly come up with. They have
attacked him as being computer illiterate. The reason he doesn't use a computer
is 'cause -- 

MORRIS: Because of the war injuries.


HANNITY: Yeah, because of his war injuries.


From the 10 a.m.
ET hour of the September
15 edition of Fox News' America's Newsroom:


HEMMER: Can't use a computer; can't send an email; can't type on a keyboard. Bill Burton, spokesman for
the Obama team, with us
again from Chicago. Bill, good morning to you. Why was that important to
have that in the ad? 

BURTON: Well, that ad is important overall because it
says something about John McCain and how in touch he is with the American people's lives. You know, just today, just
moments before you and I started talking --

HEMMER: Did it occur to you that he can't use --

BURTON: Hold on one second, Bill. Just moments before you and I --

HEMMER: -- a keyboard effectively because of
Vietnam War wounds he
suffered for five and a
half years of captivity?

BURTON: One second, Bill, let me just answer your question.

HEMMER: Did you know that?

BURTON: Yeah, what -- just before -- so I can answer your question. Before -- just before you
and I started talking, John McCain said on stage that the fundamentals of our
economy are strong. And
so that ad, that talks about the fact that John McCain's out of touch, he
doesn't know how to use a computer, he can't send an email --

HEMMER: And he also said in the same sentence that, you know, Wall Street has
got issues, and if
I'm president, I'll clean this stuff up. Back to the point, did you know he
can't use a key --

BURTON: OK.

HEMMER: No, I'm
just quoting from what I'm reading from the --

BURTON: I understand that.

HEMMER: -- campaign
rally in Jacksonville, Florida --

BURTON: I understand that. But if John McCain thinks that the fundamentals --

HEMMER: -- just to finish
-- hang on, Bill -- my question. I'll get an answer out --

BURTON: -- of our economy are strong, then he should stand by
that comment. As for
your question about whether or not --

HEMMER: Please.

BURTON: -- he can use a computer, I read an interview with him
in The
New York Times, and another with him in the San Francisco Chronicle, where he said that he was in fact learning how to use a computer, and he was learning how to email, but he wasn't quite there yet. So it's clear that --

HEMMER: Did it occur to
you that the injuries he suffered in
the Hanoi Hilton is the reason why?

BURTON: Why he was still using -- learning how to use a computer?

HEMMER: Why -- and unable to type on
a keyboard. Were you
aware of that? 

BURTON: I think that I was aware of the fact that he
had specifically said that he was learning how to use a computer.
So I think that -- I
think that he ought to,
because the Internet is
the backbone --

HEMMER: So you're saying you weren't aware of that? That's
your answer then, right? 

BURTON: No, my answer is that if John McCain is so
out of touch with the American people's lives that he doesn't understand
what's going on, in their homes,
on their computers, doesn't understand how the Internet affects our economy, doesn't
understand that the fundamentals of our economy are not strong --

HEMMER: But if you knew
that he --

BURTON: -- we're
actually in a crisis, and has no plan to address it --

HEMMER: If you knew that
he gave flesh --

BURTON: -- then that's something that they should be able to stand up for.

HEMMER: If he gave flesh
for the country and you knew that he couldn't use a
keyboard because his arms and shoulders were broken by the Viet Cong four
decades ago, is that fair game? 

BURTON: Bill, I understand that you keep making this exact same point, but if he wasn't learning how to use a
computer and he wasn't learning
how to email, then why
did he -- 

HEMMER: I'm just asking: Yes or no. Is it fair game? 

BURTON: Bill, yes or no --

HEMMER: Do you think
that's below the belt or not?

BURTON: -- was he learning how to use a computer?

HEMMER: Are you -- correct, but I'm asking yes
or no?

BURTON: That's the exact point. Is
that --

HEMMER: All right, you're not
going to answer that. Let's
go to another point, OK? 


From the September 15 broadcast of Radio America's The G. Gordon Liddy Show:


CALLER: Yeah. The other thing is -- they're kind of mentioning
about McCain not knowing how to operate the Internet, et cetera. Well, I don't know if
you want to compare the movement of McCain at the memorial versus Obama. I don't think it makes
any difference if he can operate the Internet.

LIDDY: Well, now, here's the thing. The ad by Obama says he
doesn't know how to operate the Internet, he doesn't know how to
send email, and it shows the thing saying, saying -- what they don't say is the terrible war
and torture wounds that McCain suffered rendered him -- it's impossible for him to type. He physically cannot do it. He knows how to do it, but
he can't do it physically because of his terrible war wounds. And the Obama people ought
to be ashamed of themselves for that. Mark in South Dakota, real quick.


From the September 15 broadcast of KSFO's The Lee Rodgers Show:


SUSSMAN: You know how when John McCain stands before
his audience, there's that right arm of his that's all, just, goofy? Well, it's goofy because it was broken
in three places upon ejection from the plane over Hanoi, and his arm was also busted up in
several different places. And it -- the
arm and the leg were never properly set. They essentially mended of their own accord,
so he's all --
he's crippled up. He's
a disabled vet, but of course he would never tell you that. He would never tell you he's disabled,
because he's not that kind of a guy. But what's really interesting, because
of this disability, you --
if you've ever seen him salute, he can't snap off a salute like
everyone else.

If you have read some of his stories over the last
bunch of years -- I mean, many of us have known, the guy's arm is so -- his arms are so messed up,
and his shoulders are so messed up, in all -- in part also because, not just
that the plane crashed, but because for a long portion of his imprisonment, his
hands were tied behind his body in such a way that his shoulders just became permanently
mangled. So, he's
screwed up. He
can't comb his own hair. John
McCain, besides not being able to properly snap off a salute, he can't
even comb his own hair. Now,
last I looked, he doesn't have much to begin with, but he can't
comb what little he has. 

Something else he cannot do -- he cannot sit down at a
keyboard and type. It's
just -- he's
disabled. He
can't do that. So,
this has turned into this nonsense that, well, he can't even use email. Well, of course he
can't use email, because he can't type on a keyboard. It's not his fault. If you want to blame anyone,
blame Communism. It's the Communists,
the captors in North Vietnam, that did this to him.

But nonetheless, he is disabled. He can't manage a
computer keyboard. He couldn't type when he was -- he can't do any of that, and therefore,
he can't do email, right? He
can't do email. So
the Obama people have come up with an ad -- out with an ad, and they're
trying to make it look as if he's some kind of computer illiterate boob,
who is incapable of handling the rigors of emailing. That's what they're trying to do
here. This -- I'll tell you what. I hope that there are some
disabled groups --
groups that represent disabled people that will just make their voices heard
and go after the Obama people for being absolute hatemongers when it comes to
ads like this.

[begin audio
clip]


NARRATOR: 1982: John McCain goes to Washington. Things have
changed in the last 26 years, but McCain hasn't. He admits he still doesn't know
how to use a computer, can't send an email, still doesn't understand the
economy, and favors $200 billion in new tax cuts for corporations, but almost
nothing for the middle class. After
one president who was out of touch, we just can't afford more of the
same.

OBAMA: I'm Barack Obama, and I approve this
message.


[end audio
clip]

SUSSMAN: Barack Obama, you approve the message, and
guess what? You're
a hatemongering, low-class fool for putting that ad out. That is as low as it gets. Mr. Smiley, happy-face, slap-you-on-the-back Christian -- that was a low blow.

    
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A few years ago, Constance Steinkuehler -- a game academic at the University of Wisconsin -- was spending 12 hours a day playing Lineage, the online world game. She was, as she puts it, a "siege princess," running 150-person raids on hellishly difficult bosses. Most of her guild members were teenage boys.



But they were pretty good at figuring out how to defeat the bosses. One day she found out why. A group of them were building Excel spreadsheets into which they'd dump all the information they'd gathered about how each boss behaved: What potions affected it, what attacks it would use, with what damage, and when. Then they'd develop a mathematical model to explain how the boss worked -- and to predict how to beat it.



Often, the first model wouldn't work very well, so the group would argue about how to strengthen it. Some would offer up new data they'd collected, and suggest tweaks to the model. "They'd be sitting around arguing about what model was the best, which was most predictive," Steinkuehler recalls.



That's when it hit her: The kids were practicing science.



They were using the scientific method. They'd think of a hypothesis -- This boss is really susceptible to fire spells -- and then collect evidence to see if the hypothesis was correct. If it wasn't, they'd improve it until it accounted for the observed data.



This led Steinkuehler to a fascinating and provocative conclusion: Videogames are becoming the new hotbed of scientific thinking for kids today.



This makes sense if you think about it for a second. After all, what is science? It's a technique for uncovering the hidden rules that govern the world. And videogames are simulated worlds that kids are constantly trying to master. Lineage and World of Warcraft aren't "real" world, of course, but they are consistent -- the behavior of the environment and the creatures in it are governed by hidden and generally unchanging rules, encoded by the game designers. In the process of learning a game, gamers try to deduce those rules.



This leads them, without them even realizing it, to the scientific method.



This is what Steinkuehler reports in a research paper -- "Scientific Habits of Mind in Virtual Worlds" (.pdf) -- that she will publish in this spring's Journal of Science Education and Technology. She and her co-author, Sean Duncan, downloaded the content of 1,984 posts in 85 threads in a discussion board for players of World of Warcraft.



What did they find? Only a minority of the postings were "banter" or idle chat. In contrast, a majority -- 86 percent -- were aimed specifically at analyzing the hidden ruleset of games.



More than half the gamers used "systems-based reasoning" -- analyzing the game as a complex, dynamic system. And one-tenth actually constructed specific models to explain the behavior of a monster or situation; they would often use their model to generate predictions. Meanwhile, one-quarter of the commentors would build on someone else's previous argument, and another quarter would issue rebuttals of previous arguments and models.



These are all hallmarks of scientific thought. Indeed, the conversations often had the precise flow of a scientific salon, or even a journal series: Someone would pose a question -- like what sort of potions a high-class priest ought to carry around, or how to defeat a particular monster -- and another would post a reply, offering data and facts gathered from their own observations. Others would jump into the fray, disputing the theory, refining it, offering other facts. Eventually, once everyone was convinced the theory was supported by the data, the discussion would peter out.



"It blew my mind," Steinkuehler tells me.



And here's the thing: The (mostly) young people engaging in these sciencelike conversations are precisely the same ones who are, more and more, tuning out of science in the classroom. Every study shows science literacy in school is plummeting, with barely one-fifth of students graduating with any sort of sense of how the scientific method works. The situation is far worse for boys than girls.



Steinkuehler thinks videogames are the way to reverse this sorry trend. She argues that schools ought to be embracing games as places to show kids the value of scientific scrutiny -- the way it helps us make sense of the world. 



One of the reasons kids get bored by science is that too many teachers present it as a fusty collection of facts for memorization. This is precisely wrong. Science isn't about facts. It's about the quest for facts -- the scientific method, the process by which we hash through confusing thickets of ignorance. It's dynamic, argumentative, collaborative, competitive, filled with flashes of crazy excitement and hours of drudgework, and driven by ego: Our desire to be the one who figures it out, at least for now. It's dramatic and nutty and fun.



And it's pretty much how kids already approach the games they love. They're already scientists; they already know the value of the scientific method. Teachers just need to talk to them in their language, so that the kids can begin to understand the joy of puzzling through the offline, "real" world too.



At one point, Steinkuehler met up with one of the kids who'd built the Excel model to crack the boss. "Do you realize that what you're doing is the essence of science?" she asked.



He smiled at her. "Dude, I'm not doing science," he replied. "I'm just cheating the game!" 



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Clive Thompson is a contributing writer for The New York Times Magazine and a regular contributor to Wired and New York magazines. Look for more of Clive's observations on his blog, collision detection.

  


   
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A few years ago, Constance Steinkuehler -- a game academic at the University of Wisconsin -- was spending 12 hours a day playing Lineage, the online world game. She was, as she puts it, a "siege princess," running 150-person raids on hellishly difficult bosses. Most of her guild members were teenage boys.



But they were pretty good at figuring out how to defeat the bosses. One day she found out why. A group of them were building Excel spreadsheets into which they'd dump all the information they'd gathered about how each boss behaved: What potions affected it, what attacks it would use, with what damage, and when. Then they'd develop a mathematical model to explain how the boss worked -- and to predict how to beat it.



Often, the first model wouldn't work very well, so the group would argue about how to strengthen it. Some would offer up new data they'd collected, and suggest tweaks to the model. "They'd be sitting around arguing about what model was the best, which was most predictive," Steinkuehler recalls.



That's when it hit her: The kids were practicing science.



They were using the scientific method. They'd think of a hypothesis -- This boss is really susceptible to fire spells -- and then collect evidence to see if the hypothesis was correct. If it wasn't, they'd improve it until it accounted for the observed data.



This led Steinkuehler to a fascinating and provocative conclusion: Videogames are becoming the new hotbed of scientific thinking for kids today.



This makes sense if you think about it for a second. After all, what is science? It's a technique for uncovering the hidden rules that govern the world. And videogames are simulated worlds that kids are constantly trying to master. Lineage and World of Warcraft aren't "real" world, of course, but they are consistent -- the behavior of the environment and the creatures in it are governed by hidden and generally unchanging rules, encoded by the game designers. In the process of learning a game, gamers try to deduce those rules.



This leads them, without them even realizing it, to the scientific method.



This is what Steinkuehler reports in a research paper -- "Scientific Habits of Mind in Virtual Worlds" (.pdf) -- that she will publish in this spring's Journal of Science Education and Technology. She and her co-author, Sean Duncan, downloaded the content of 1,984 posts in 85 threads in a discussion board for players of World of Warcraft.



What did they find? Only a minority of the postings were "banter" or idle chat. In contrast, a majority -- 86 percent -- were aimed specifically at analyzing the hidden ruleset of games.



More than half the gamers used "systems-based reasoning" -- analyzing the game as a complex, dynamic system. And one-tenth actually constructed specific models to explain the behavior of a monster or situation; they would often use their model to generate predictions. Meanwhile, one-quarter of the commentors would build on someone else's previous argument, and another quarter would issue rebuttals of previous arguments and models.



These are all hallmarks of scientific thought. Indeed, the conversations often had the precise flow of a scientific salon, or even a journal series: Someone would pose a question -- like what sort of potions a high-class priest ought to carry around, or how to defeat a particular monster -- and another would post a reply, offering data and facts gathered from their own observations. Others would jump into the fray, disputing the theory, refining it, offering other facts. Eventually, once everyone was convinced the theory was supported by the data, the discussion would peter out.



"It blew my mind," Steinkuehler tells me.



And here's the thing: The (mostly) young people engaging in these sciencelike conversations are precisely the same ones who are, more and more, tuning out of science in the classroom. Every study shows science literacy in school is plummeting, with barely one-fifth of students graduating with any sort of sense of how the scientific method works. The situation is far worse for boys than girls.



Steinkuehler thinks videogames are the way to reverse this sorry trend. She argues that schools ought to be embracing games as places to show kids the value of scientific scrutiny -- the way it helps us make sense of the world. 



One of the reasons kids get bored by science is that too many teachers present it as a fusty collection of facts for memorization. This is precisely wrong. Science isn't about facts. It's about the quest for facts -- the scientific method, the process by which we hash through confusing thickets of ignorance. It's dynamic, argumentative, collaborative, competitive, filled with flashes of crazy excitement and hours of drudgework, and driven by ego: Our desire to be the one who figures it out, at least for now. It's dramatic and nutty and fun.



And it's pretty much how kids already approach the games they love. They're already scientists; they already know the value of the scientific method. Teachers just need to talk to them in their language, so that the kids can begin to understand the joy of puzzling through the offline, "real" world too.



At one point, Steinkuehler met up with one of the kids who'd built the Excel model to crack the boss. "Do you realize that what you're doing is the essence of science?" she asked.



He smiled at her. "Dude, I'm not doing science," he replied. "I'm just cheating the game!" 



- - -



Clive Thompson is a contributing writer for The New York Times Magazine and a regular contributor to Wired and New York magazines. Look for more of Clive's observations on his blog, collision detection.

  


   
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		<title>{ISSUES &gt; BIAS AND BALANCE} - Ignoring evidence to the contrary, NY Times' Brooks claims Palin made "mortal enem[y]" of Stevens</title>
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		<description>In his September 2 New York Times column, David Brooks
wrote that Gov. Sarah Palin is "a woman who risked her career taking on
the corrupt Republican establishment in her own state, who twice defeated the
oil companies, who made mortal enemies of the two people [Sen. John] McCain has
always held up as the carriers of the pork-barrel disease: [Rep. Don] Young
[R-AK] and [Sen. Ted] Stevens [R-AK]." Brooks' characterization of Palin and Stevens as "mortal
enemies" is undermined by substantial evidence. For example, in a July
joint press conference, while Stevens acknowledged "comments made [by Palin]
about my earmarks" and "the [federal corruption]
investigation," Stevens said he has "never
known of any animosity between" them; similarly, Palin said she had
"great respect" for Stevens. Further, Palin previously served as co-director of a 527 organization
bearing Stevens' name; Palin ran advertisements during her 2006
gubernatorial campaign that featured Stevens endorsing her; while Palin was
mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, she reportedly hired a lobbying firm to secure
earmarks for the town, and the account was handled by Stevens' former
chief of staff; Stevens has endorsed her 2008 vice-presidential bid; and
Stevens' campaign website contains several pictures of Palin with
Stevens.

Brooks wrote:


When
McCain met Sarah Palin last February, he was meeting the rarest of creatures,
an American politician who sees the world as he does. Like McCain, Palin does
not seem to have an explicit governing philosophy. Her background is socially
conservative, but she has not pushed that as governor of Alaska. She seems to find it easier to work
with liberal Democrats than the mandarins in her own party.

Instead,
she seems to get up in the morning to root out corruption. McCain was meeting a
woman who risked her career taking on the corrupt Republican establishment in
her own state, who twice defeated the oil companies, who made mortal enemies of
the two people McCain has always held up as the carriers of the pork-barrel
disease: Young and Stevens.


However, Brooks ignored several facts
about the relationship between Palin and Stevens.

"Great
respect" for Stevens

During a July 2 joint press conference about
Stevens' energy plan, Palin and Stevens were asked about a possible
"rift between" them. Stevens said during his response:
"I've never known of any animosity between the two of us at all. We
are each free to make comments about what the other does and every once in a
while she'll say I'm stupid and that, that, prob -- she may be right."
Palin responded, "I've never said that." She went on to say,
"I have great respect for the senator and he needs to be heard across
America, his voice, his experience, his passion needs to be heard across
America so that Alaska can contribute more. I again have great respect for him
and I agree there's a big difference between reality and perception
regarding our relationship." Stevens added: "If you object to this
first edition of the Sarah-Ted Show, I hope it'll continue."

From the July 2 press conference:


JASON
MOORE (KTUU reporter): I'd just like to hear from each of you how you
feel about the other. I think there is a sort of perceived rift or perception
in Alaska
there's a rift between you two. The governor's made some statements
against some of your earmarks. She said at the time your house was searched
that you needed to tell Alaskans more about what's behind that. You
haven't exactly had glowing endorsements of AGIA [Alaska Gasline
Inducement Act]. What do you two think about each other, and describe your
relationships.

PALIN:
You can go first.

STEVENS:
Well, you know, I -- I -- I don't really object to the comments made
about my earmarks. I think that, you know, they -- they're part of a
period of need. I'm not sure -- with the money that's coming into
the state, I don't think we're going to get many earmarks in the
future. We -- we developed our earmarks in a period of need and found a way to
bring these federal agencies in here through the Denali Commission and other
things like that. I don't object to people objecting to that. I think the
investigation is another matter, and I do think that she -- the governor had
every right to say what she did. I didn't take any umbrage about it --

PALIN:
Thank you.

STEVENS:
-- I never talked to her about it at all. I -- I wish I had her -- her freedom
to speak about it, but I don't. You know, it's -- it's there,
it's continuing, and that's all there is to it. But as far as
getting along, hell, I don't know if you know it, when [former Gov.]
Frank Murkowski was first elected, this lady and I and the mayor of Cordova,
Margie Johnson, traveled around the state for two weeks. We've known each
other for a long time and worked together for a long time. I've never
known of any animosity between the two of us at all. We're each free to
make comments about what the other does, and every once in a while she'll
say I'm stupid and that, that, prob -- she may be right.

PALIN:
I've never said that. 

STEVENS:
No, I just --

PALIN:
And I -- I have great respect for the senator, and he needs to be heard across America.
His voice, his experience, his passion needs to be heard across America so that
Alaska can contribute more, so that we can be producers, so that we can help
lead the rest of the U.S. I, again, have great respect for him, and I agree
there's a big difference between reality and perception regarding our
relationship.

UNIDENTIFIED
REPORTER: Governor --

STEVENS:
If you object to this first edition of the Sarah-Ted Show, I hope it'll
continue.


Co-director
of 527 bearing Stevens' name

The
Washington Post's Matthew Mosk reported on September 1
that Palin served as one of three directors of a 527 organization, named Ted
Stevens Excellence in Public Service, Inc., "until June 2005, when her
name was replaced on state filings." From Mosk's post on the
washingtonpost.com blog The Trail:


Alaska
Gov. Sarah Palin began building clout in her state's political circles in part
by serving as a director of an independent political group organized by the now
embattled Alaska Sen. Ted Stevens. 

Palin's
name is listed on 2003 incorporation papers of the "Ted Stevens Excellence
in Public Service, Inc.," a 527 group that could raise unlimited funds
from corporate donors. The group was designed to serve as a political boot camp
for Republican women in the state.


The stated purpose of the 527,
according to its 8871 form, filed with the Internal Revenue Service and signed
March 19, 2004, is "[t]o increase the number of Republican women in
elected offices and in appointed governmental and political positions,
including advisory and regulatory commissions through training and
education." 

2006
gubernatorial endorsement

During her 2006 gubernatorial campaign,
Palin ran an ad featuring Stevens endorsing her candidacy. In the ad, Stevens said that Palin represents "a new vision, new energy.
... When you go to vote, don't go to vote alone. And you'll help Sarah
become the next governor of Alaska,
which we all want to see." From the ad:


STEVENS: We have a state
that needs new management.

(Text
on screen: Senator Stevens Speaks About New Leadership)

STEVENS: These two
people represent a new generation. And they represent a new vision, new energy.
They represent the kind of people who ought to come along and take our places. 

And that needs a new
agenda for all of us to get behind. Think of this: When you go to vote, don't
go to vote alone. And you'll help Sarah become the next governor of Alaska, which we all
want to see. 

ANNOUNCER: Frugally paid
for by Palin/ [Lt. Gov candidate Sean] Parnell, new energy for Alaska. 245 W. 5th,
99501.


Mosk reported that
"[s]hortly after Palin was announced as McCain's vice presidential pick,
the ad was removed from her gubernatorial campaign web site. It remains
available on YouTube." Indeed,
a Google cache of Palin's
website "as it appeared on Aug 29, 2008 16:47:35 GMT" shows the text,
"Senator Stevens Speaks About New Leadership" and a disabled link to the
Stevens commercial under the headline "View Sarah's
Commercials!" From the Google cache: 

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<td width="100%" style="font:9pt Verdana,Arial,Sans-serif;vertical-align:top;"><span style="color:#808080;font-variant:small-caps;">Mediamatters.Org</span> - In his September 2 New York Times column, David Brooks
wrote that Gov. Sarah Palin is "a woman who risked her career taking on
the corrupt Republican establishment in her own state, who twice defeated the
oil companies, who made mortal enemies of the two people [Sen. John] McCain has
always held up as the carriers of the pork-barrel disease: [Rep. Don] Young
[R-AK] and [Sen. Ted] Stevens [R-AK]." Brooks' characterization of Palin and Stevens as "mortal
enemies" is undermined by substantial evidence. For example, in a July
joint press conference, while Stevens acknowledged "comments made [by Palin]
about my earmarks" and "the [federal corruption]
investigation," Stevens said he has "never
known of any animosity between" them; similarly, Palin said she had
"great respect" for Stevens. Further, Palin previously served as co-director of a 527 organization
bearing Stevens' name; Palin ran advertisements during her 2006
gubernatorial campaign that featured Stevens endorsing her; while Palin was
mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, she reportedly hired a lobbying firm to secure
earmarks for the town, and the account was handled by Stevens' former
chief of staff; Stevens has endorsed her 2008 vice-presidential bid; and
Stevens' campaign website contains several pictures of Palin with
Stevens.

Brooks wrote:


When
McCain met Sarah Palin last February, he was meeting the rarest of creatures,
an American politician who sees the world as he does. Like McCain, Palin does
not seem to have an explicit governing philosophy. Her background is socially
conservative, but she has not pushed that as governor of Alaska. She seems to find it easier to work
with liberal Democrats than the mandarins in her own party.

Instead,
she seems to get up in the morning to root out corruption. McCain was meeting a
woman who risked her career taking on the corrupt Republican establishment in
her own state, who twice defeated the oil companies, who made mortal enemies of
the two people McCain has always held up as the carriers of the pork-barrel
disease: Young and Stevens.


However, Brooks ignored several facts
about the relationship between Palin and Stevens.

"Great
respect" for Stevens

During a July 2 joint press conference about
Stevens' energy plan, Palin and Stevens were asked about a possible
"rift between" them. Stevens said during his response:
"I've never known of any animosity between the two of us at all. We
are each free to make comments about what the other does and every once in a
while she'll say I'm stupid and that, that, prob -- she may be right."
Palin responded, "I've never said that." She went on to say,
"I have great respect for the senator and he needs to be heard across
America, his voice, his experience, his passion needs to be heard across
America so that Alaska can contribute more. I again have great respect for him
and I agree there's a big difference between reality and perception
regarding our relationship." Stevens added: "If you object to this
first edition of the Sarah-Ted Show, I hope it'll continue."

From the July 2 press conference:


JASON
MOORE (KTUU reporter): I'd just like to hear from each of you how you
feel about the other. I think there is a sort of perceived rift or perception
in Alaska
there's a rift between you two. The governor's made some statements
against some of your earmarks. She said at the time your house was searched
that you needed to tell Alaskans more about what's behind that. You
haven't exactly had glowing endorsements of AGIA [Alaska Gasline
Inducement Act]. What do you two think about each other, and describe your
relationships.

PALIN:
You can go first.

STEVENS:
Well, you know, I -- I -- I don't really object to the comments made
about my earmarks. I think that, you know, they -- they're part of a
period of need. I'm not sure -- with the money that's coming into
the state, I don't think we're going to get many earmarks in the
future. We -- we developed our earmarks in a period of need and found a way to
bring these federal agencies in here through the Denali Commission and other
things like that. I don't object to people objecting to that. I think the
investigation is another matter, and I do think that she -- the governor had
every right to say what she did. I didn't take any umbrage about it --

PALIN:
Thank you.

STEVENS:
-- I never talked to her about it at all. I -- I wish I had her -- her freedom
to speak about it, but I don't. You know, it's -- it's there,
it's continuing, and that's all there is to it. But as far as
getting along, hell, I don't know if you know it, when [former Gov.]
Frank Murkowski was first elected, this lady and I and the mayor of Cordova,
Margie Johnson, traveled around the state for two weeks. We've known each
other for a long time and worked together for a long time. I've never
known of any animosity between the two of us at all. We're each free to
make comments about what the other does, and every once in a while she'll
say I'm stupid and that, that, prob -- she may be right.

PALIN:
I've never said that. 

STEVENS:
No, I just --

PALIN:
And I -- I have great respect for the senator, and he needs to be heard across America.
His voice, his experience, his passion needs to be heard across America so that
Alaska can contribute more, so that we can be producers, so that we can help
lead the rest of the U.S. I, again, have great respect for him, and I agree
there's a big difference between reality and perception regarding our
relationship.

UNIDENTIFIED
REPORTER: Governor --

STEVENS:
If you object to this first edition of the Sarah-Ted Show, I hope it'll
continue.


Co-director
of 527 bearing Stevens' name

The
Washington Post's Matthew Mosk reported on September 1
that Palin served as one of three directors of a 527 organization, named Ted
Stevens Excellence in Public Service, Inc., "until June 2005, when her
name was replaced on state filings." From Mosk's post on the
washingtonpost.com blog The Trail:


Alaska
Gov. Sarah Palin began building clout in her state's political circles in part
by serving as a director of an independent political group organized by the now
embattled Alaska Sen. Ted Stevens. 

Palin's
name is listed on 2003 incorporation papers of the "Ted Stevens Excellence
in Public Service, Inc.," a 527 group that could raise unlimited funds
from corporate donors. The group was designed to serve as a political boot camp
for Republican women in the state.


The stated purpose of the 527,
according to its 8871 form, filed with the Internal Revenue Service and signed
March 19, 2004, is "[t]o increase the number of Republican women in
elected offices and in appointed governmental and political positions,
including advisory and regulatory commissions through training and
education." 

2006
gubernatorial endorsement

During her 2006 gubernatorial campaign,
Palin ran an ad featuring Stevens endorsing her candidacy. In the ad, Stevens said that Palin represents "a new vision, new energy.
... When you go to vote, don't go to vote alone. And you'll help Sarah
become the next governor of Alaska,
which we all want to see." From the ad:


STEVENS: We have a state
that needs new management.

(Text
on screen: Senator Stevens Speaks About New Leadership)

STEVENS: These two
people represent a new generation. And they represent a new vision, new energy.
They represent the kind of people who ought to come along and take our places. 

And that needs a new
agenda for all of us to get behind. Think of this: When you go to vote, don't
go to vote alone. And you'll help Sarah become the next governor of Alaska, which we all
want to see. 

ANNOUNCER: Frugally paid
for by Palin/ [Lt. Gov candidate Sean] Parnell, new energy for Alaska. 245 W. 5th,
99501.


Mosk reported that
"[s]hortly after Palin was announced as McCain's vice presidential pick,
the ad was removed from her gubernatorial campaign web site. It remains
available on YouTube." Indeed,
a Google cache of Palin's
website "as it appeared on Aug 29, 2008 16:47:35 GMT" shows the text,
"Senator Stevens Speaks About New Leadership" and a disabled link to the
Stevens commercial under the headline "View Sarah's
Commercials!" From the Google cache: 

<blockquote style="background:#FAFAFA;border:1px dotted #E6E6E6;font:italic 10pt Times New Roman;padding:9px;">Media Matters - Ignoring evidence to the contrary, NY Times&#39; Brooks claims Palin made "mortal enem[y]" of Stevens {...} David Brooks wrote that Gov. Sarah Palin "made mortal enemies of the two people [Sen. John] McCain has always held up as the carriers of the pork-barrel disease: [Rep. Don] Young [R-AK] and [Sen. Ted] Stevens [R-AK]." Brooks&#39; characterization of Palin and Stevens as "mortal enemies" is undermined by substantial evidence, including a joint Stevens-Palin press conference in July in which Stevens said he has "never known of any animosity between" them and Palin said she had "great respect" for Stevens, as well as Palin&#39;s previous service as  co-director of a 527 organization bearing Stevens&#39; name. {...}</blockquote><div style="font:8pt Verdana,Arial;vertical-align:top;"><span style="color:#808080;">Published:</span> September 3, 2008, 2:24 am - <span style="color:#808080;">Indexed:</span> September 3, 2008, 12:12 pm - <span style="color:#808080;">Page Size:</span>&nbsp;34KB</div><div style="font:8pt Verdana,Arial;vertical-align:top;"><span style="color:#808080;">Category:</span> <a href="http://www.world-of-newave.info/society/">Society</a> &gt; <a href="http://www.world-of-newave.info/society/issues/">Issues</a> &gt; <a href="http://www.world-of-newave.info/society/issues/business/">Business</a> &gt; <a href="http://www.world-of-newave.info/society/issues/business/media/">Media</a> &gt;  <a href="http://www.world-of-newave.info/society/issues/business/media/bias-and-balance/"><b>Bias and Balance</b></a></div></td></tr></table>
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		<title>{ISSUES &gt; BIAS AND BALANCE} - Hannity's memory lapse: "I don't remember Chelsea Clinton being attacked"</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 22:55:55 GMT</pubDate>
		<description>On the September 1 edition of Fox News'
Hannity &amp; Colmes, co-host Sean Hannity said, in reference to Internet rumors about Alaska Gov.
Sarah Palin's daughter, "[T]hey tried to make the attack that she
has a young daughter, pregnant and engaged. Is that fair that they would attack
that? I mean, I don't remember Chelsea Clinton being attacked. I don't remember
Al Gore's children being attacked. I thought there was a general rule that
children of candidates ought to be left alone." In fact, Chelsea Clinton
was not "left alone" -- not by Sen. John McCain, and not by Rush Limbaugh, who has hosted numerous prominent
Republicans on his syndicated radio show.

McCain reportedly told a
"joke" about Chelsea Clinton in 1998, saying: "Why is Chelsea
Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno." The late columnist Molly Ivins reported of Limbaugh: 


On his TV
show, early in the Clinton administration, Limbaugh put up a picture of Socks,
the White House cat, and asked, 'Did you know there's a White House
dog?' Then he put up a picture of Chelsea Clinton, who was 13 years old
at the time and as far as I know had never done any harm to anyone.

When viewers objected, he
claimed, in typical Limbaugh fashion, that the gag was an accident and that
without his permission some technician had put up the picture of Chelsea -- which I found
as disgusting as his original attempt at humor. 


As Republican
strategist Mary Matalin noted on Hannity &amp; Colmes, Sen. Barack Obama denounced public discussion
of Palin's family, saying it had no relevance to her qualifications as
governor or vice president. He said: "Let me be a clear as possible: I have said before and I
will repeat again, I think people's families are off limits and people's
children are especially off limits."

From the September 1 edition of Fox News' Hannity &amp; Colmes: 


HANNITY: Let's talk a little bit
about the vice presidential choice, Sarah Palin, and your thoughts on her. I
can tell you every person that I have met here -- there is an energy. Conservatives,
they love her. And there have been numerous attacks by different liberal
organizations --
National Organization for Women and some others against her. How do you think
they're going to stand up?

MATALIN: Well, you know that there
were -- the Democrats
are worried by this
choice, because they don't know how to attack her. They've tried every which way. They've tried the kitchen
sink, but all it's done
is revealed their elitism, their sexism, their hypocrisy. They're not going to
make it stick. And it's not just about conservatives, although that's a big
chunk of it and her position on life,
and the obvious talking
the talk, not just
walking the walk. It's regular mainstream women who've prioritized their families, but wanting to have good jobs, don't want to be overtaxed,
get the energy issue.

HANNITY: We're running out of time,
but they tried to make the attack that she has a young daughter, pregnant and
engaged. Is that fair that they would attack that? I mean, I don't remember
Chelsea Clinton being attacked. I don't remember Al Gore's children being
attacked. I thought there
was a general rule that children of candidates ought to be left alone. And Alan
knows I've said that
many times.

MATALIN: Right, and in fairness,
Barack Obama did -- 

HANNITY: He did say that, yeah. 

MATALIN: -- pretty fast out of the box, said,
"off-limits,
off-limits." So,
credit to him. Credit to every -- let
the games begin. 

HANNITY: Let the games begin. 

    
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<td width="100%" style="font:9pt Verdana,Arial,Sans-serif;vertical-align:top;"><span style="color:#808080;font-variant:small-caps;">Mediamatters.Org</span> - On the September 1 edition of Fox News'
Hannity & Colmes, co-host Sean Hannity said, in reference to Internet rumors about Alaska Gov.
Sarah Palin's daughter, "[T]hey tried to make the attack that she
has a young daughter, pregnant and engaged. Is that fair that they would attack
that? I mean, I don't remember Chelsea Clinton being attacked. I don't remember
Al Gore's children being attacked. I thought there was a general rule that
children of candidates ought to be left alone." In fact, Chelsea Clinton
was not "left alone" -- not by Sen. John McCain, and not by Rush Limbaugh, who has hosted numerous prominent
Republicans on his syndicated radio show.

McCain reportedly told a
"joke" about Chelsea Clinton in 1998, saying: "Why is Chelsea
Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno." The late columnist Molly Ivins reported of Limbaugh: 


On his TV
show, early in the Clinton administration, Limbaugh put up a picture of Socks,
the White House cat, and asked, 'Did you know there's a White House
dog?' Then he put up a picture of Chelsea Clinton, who was 13 years old
at the time and as far as I know had never done any harm to anyone.

When viewers objected, he
claimed, in typical Limbaugh fashion, that the gag was an accident and that
without his permission some technician had put up the picture of Chelsea -- which I found
as disgusting as his original attempt at humor. 


As Republican
strategist Mary Matalin noted on Hannity & Colmes, Sen. Barack Obama denounced public discussion
of Palin's family, saying it had no relevance to her qualifications as
governor or vice president. He said: "Let me be a clear as possible: I have said before and I
will repeat again, I think people's families are off limits and people's
children are especially off limits."

From the September 1 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes: 


HANNITY: Let's talk a little bit
about the vice presidential choice, Sarah Palin, and your thoughts on her. I
can tell you every person that I have met here -- there is an energy. Conservatives,
they love her. And there have been numerous attacks by different liberal
organizations --
National Organization for Women and some others against her. How do you think
they're going to stand up?

MATALIN: Well, you know that there
were -- the Democrats
are worried by this
choice, because they don't know how to attack her. They've tried every which way. They've tried the kitchen
sink, but all it's done
is revealed their elitism, their sexism, their hypocrisy. They're not going to
make it stick. And it's not just about conservatives, although that's a big
chunk of it and her position on life,
and the obvious talking
the talk, not just
walking the walk. It's regular mainstream women who've prioritized their families, but wanting to have good jobs, don't want to be overtaxed,
get the energy issue.

HANNITY: We're running out of time,
but they tried to make the attack that she has a young daughter, pregnant and
engaged. Is that fair that they would attack that? I mean, I don't remember
Chelsea Clinton being attacked. I don't remember Al Gore's children being
attacked. I thought there
was a general rule that children of candidates ought to be left alone. And Alan
knows I've said that
many times.

MATALIN: Right, and in fairness,
Barack Obama did -- 

HANNITY: He did say that, yeah. 

MATALIN: -- pretty fast out of the box, said,
"off-limits,
off-limits." So,
credit to him. Credit to every -- let
the games begin. 

HANNITY: Let the games begin. 

    
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		<title>{ISSUES &gt; BIAS AND BALANCE} - Morris flip-flops on whether Palin has enough experience to be McCain's running mate</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 23:01:25 GMT</pubDate>
		<description>Discussing possible vice-presidential
choices on the June 16 edition of Fox News' Hannity &amp; Colmes, Fox News contributor and columnist
Dick Morris said that Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin is "a very bright woman and
very good. She would be an excellent choice. But I think that he [Sen. John
McCain] needs someone with a little more experience." However, on the
August 29 edition of Hannity &amp; Colmes
-- after McCain picked Palin as his running mate -- Morris said of Palin:
"[I]t's OK if the Republicans nominated somebody for vice president who
needs a little warm-up time 'til they become president." Morris did not
explain how his current view squares with his June 16 comments. 

From the June 16 edition of Fox
News' Hannity &amp; Colmes:


COLMES:
All right. Has McCain got the converse issue of Barack Obama? He doesn't need someone with
experience, he needs someone to rejuvenate his campaign, right?

MORRIS:
He needs a wow factor. He needs someone where you look at it and you just say,
wow. And there are four people that I think so far do that for me at least:
Colin Powell, Condi Rice, Mike Bloomberg, and Joe Lieberman. I think the name that you put on there, I
think her first name was Sarah Palin --

COLMES:
Yeah, Palin. Yeah.

MORRIS:
-- the governor of Alaska,
she's a very bright woman and very good. She would be an excellent choice. But
I think that he needs someone with a little more experience --

SEAN
HANNITY (co-host): Hey, Dick --

MORRIS:
-- at this go-around, but I think either of the four names I mentioned would do
it. Another Southern governor, and people are going to fall asleep.

From the August 29 edition of Fox
News' Hannity &amp; Colmes:

MORRIS: When I saw the speech
-- it was wonderful. It is one of the all-time great speeches. It ranks up
there with Lincoln's
second inaugural, with John Kennedy's only inaugural.

What I
was critical of on the show was that I had just read the excerpts that his
campaign put out, so I figured it was the best stuff, which was a short list of
programs, and I had wanted him to go through a State of the Union-type speech.
He did. He enumerated all of these programs. And there's a lot of stuff in it
that I disagree with, there's a lot of stuff that's wrong, but it was a brilliant
speech. The problem is, and you just saw it here, when he equates Bush with
McCain and says they're the same, saying that Sarah Palin is more of same is
like equating Cameron Diaz with Doris Day.

COLMES: I'm not sure which is
which there. But in any event, so -- in terms of the analogy, I mean.

MORRIS: A young modern person,
as opposed to George Bush.

COLMES: All right. But here,
you know Sarah Palin. And doesn't this take the experience argument off the
table? You can't say Barack Obama's not experienced and say, "But we're
embracing Sarah Palin to go against Joe Biden for vice president."

MORRIS: There's a difference
for somebody running for teacher and somebody running for student.
Theoretically, Obama, who has only about the same amount of experience that
Palin has --

COLMES:
Or that Bush had.

MORRIS:
-- in statewide office, is a -- is running for president of the United States.
Palin is running for vice president, to bring her fresh approach, but learn at
the master's knee.

COLMES: Don't you need somebody
who's ready day one to be president of the United States?

MORRIS: Yeah, it would be nice
if the Democrats nominated somebody like that, but they didn't.

COLMES: They did.

MORRIS: But it's OK if the Republicans
nominated somebody for vice president who needs a little warm-up time 'til they
become president. The thing about Sarah Palin -- and it's the key thing to
remember -- is this woman challenged the corrupt Republican establishment of Alaska. Frank Murkowski,
the governor of Alaska,
was corrupt as anything. And his daughter, Lisa Murkowski, isn't corrupt; she
just is dumb. And --

COLMES: That was a kind word,
Dick.


MORRIS: Yeah. And you have Ted
Stevens, the other senator, who is certifiably corrupt. He's under indictment,
and he deserves to go to jail for a long time, as does his son, by the way.
Sarah Palin took that establishment on, challenged Murkowski in a primary
fight, got the attorney general fired. She's probably the only governor in America
that beat the incumbent governor of her own party in a primary fight over
corruption. This woman is a heroine. And to have someone like that coming to Washington to clean up Washington
is extraordinary. And we're not talking about she went after Democrats in a
partisan way. She went after Republicans.

    
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<td width="100%" style="font:9pt Verdana,Arial,Sans-serif;vertical-align:top;"><span style="color:#808080;font-variant:small-caps;">Mediamatters.Org</span> - Discussing possible vice-presidential
choices on the June 16 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes, Fox News contributor and columnist
Dick Morris said that Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin is "a very bright woman and
very good. She would be an excellent choice. But I think that he [Sen. John
McCain] needs someone with a little more experience." However, on the
August 29 edition of Hannity & Colmes
-- after McCain picked Palin as his running mate -- Morris said of Palin:
"[I]t's OK if the Republicans nominated somebody for vice president who
needs a little warm-up time 'til they become president." Morris did not
explain how his current view squares with his June 16 comments. 

From the June 16 edition of Fox
News' Hannity & Colmes:


COLMES:
All right. Has McCain got the converse issue of Barack Obama? He doesn't need someone with
experience, he needs someone to rejuvenate his campaign, right?

MORRIS:
He needs a wow factor. He needs someone where you look at it and you just say,
wow. And there are four people that I think so far do that for me at least:
Colin Powell, Condi Rice, Mike Bloomberg, and Joe Lieberman. I think the name that you put on there, I
think her first name was Sarah Palin --

COLMES:
Yeah, Palin. Yeah.

MORRIS:
-- the governor of Alaska,
she's a very bright woman and very good. She would be an excellent choice. But
I think that he needs someone with a little more experience --

SEAN
HANNITY (co-host): Hey, Dick --

MORRIS:
-- at this go-around, but I think either of the four names I mentioned would do
it. Another Southern governor, and people are going to fall asleep.

From the August 29 edition of Fox
News' Hannity & Colmes:

MORRIS: When I saw the speech
-- it was wonderful. It is one of the all-time great speeches. It ranks up
there with Lincoln's
second inaugural, with John Kennedy's only inaugural.

What I
was critical of on the show was that I had just read the excerpts that his
campaign put out, so I figured it was the best stuff, which was a short list of
programs, and I had wanted him to go through a State of the Union-type speech.
He did. He enumerated all of these programs. And there's a lot of stuff in it
that I disagree with, there's a lot of stuff that's wrong, but it was a brilliant
speech. The problem is, and you just saw it here, when he equates Bush with
McCain and says they're the same, saying that Sarah Palin is more of same is
like equating Cameron Diaz with Doris Day.

COLMES: I'm not sure which is
which there. But in any event, so -- in terms of the analogy, I mean.

MORRIS: A young modern person,
as opposed to George Bush.

COLMES: All right. But here,
you know Sarah Palin. And doesn't this take the experience argument off the
table? You can't say Barack Obama's not experienced and say, "But we're
embracing Sarah Palin to go against Joe Biden for vice president."

MORRIS: There's a difference
for somebody running for teacher and somebody running for student.
Theoretically, Obama, who has only about the same amount of experience that
Palin has --

COLMES:
Or that Bush had.

MORRIS:
-- in statewide office, is a -- is running for president of the United States.
Palin is running for vice president, to bring her fresh approach, but learn at
the master's knee.

COLMES: Don't you need somebody
who's ready day one to be president of the United States?

MORRIS: Yeah, it would be nice
if the Democrats nominated somebody like that, but they didn't.

COLMES: They did.

MORRIS: But it's OK if the Republicans
nominated somebody for vice president who needs a little warm-up time 'til they
become president. The thing about Sarah Palin -- and it's the key thing to
remember -- is this woman challenged the corrupt Republican establishment of Alaska. Frank Murkowski,
the governor of Alaska,
was corrupt as anything. And his daughter, Lisa Murkowski, isn't corrupt; she
just is dumb. And --

COLMES: That was a kind word,
Dick.


MORRIS: Yeah. And you have Ted
Stevens, the other senator, who is certifiably corrupt. He's under indictment,
and he deserves to go to jail for a long time, as does his son, by the way.
Sarah Palin took that establishment on, challenged Murkowski in a primary
fight, got the attorney general fired. She's probably the only governor in America
that beat the incumbent governor of her own party in a primary fight over
corruption. This woman is a heroine. And to have someone like that coming to Washington to clean up Washington
is extraordinary. And we're not talking about she went after Democrats in a
partisan way. She went after Republicans.

    
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		<title>{ISSUES &gt; BIAS AND BALANCE} - Luntz falsely claimed McCain had "never really talked about" decision to refuse early release prior to Saddleback forum</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:08:53 GMT</pubDate>
		<description>On the August 18 edition of Fox
News' Hannity &amp; Colmes,
pollster Frank Luntz falsely claimed that Sen. John McCain had "never
really talked about" his decision to refuse an offer of early release
from a North Vietnamese prison camp prior to mentioning it during his August 16
appearance at Pastor
Rick Warren's Saddleback Church. In fact, McCain has repeatedly cited his
refusal to accept an early release in a book, interviews, speeches, and
campaign ads since 1999, as Media Matters
for America has documented.

Luntz's false assertion that McCain
has only recently "talked about"
his refusal to accept an early release follows a
pattern in the media, including others on Fox News, promoting the notion that McCain has been reluctant to
discuss his time as a prisoner of war, despite his frequent references to it. 

From the August 18
edition of Fox News' Hannity &
Colmes:


ALAN COLMES (co-host): Obama, though, shows up in clearly what could be considered hostile
territory to some extent. He's not the home team there. He doesn't get to go last,
doesn't get the final word. And I -- and certainly had the -- certainly had the
crowd -- was appreciating many of the things he said. But I think he's being
undervalued in terms of his performance.

LUNTZ:
He did -- he did well. When I -- after the first hour, if we were dial-testing
it, you would have said that Barack Obama exceeded
expectations, but John McCain delivered. And we've got a couple segments to
show you.

There's
one where McCain was asked a question about a tough decision that he made, and
he talked about Vietnam
and the decision not to go home early. First person in has to be the first
person to leave. McCain decided to stay, and he talked about the consequences.
Let's listen.

McCAIN [video
clip]: I said no, and I'll never forget sitting, in my last answer, and the
high-ranking officer offered to slam the door, and the interrogator said,
"Go back to your cell. It's going to be very tough on you now." And
it was, but I -- not only the toughest decision I ever made, but I'm most happy
about that decision than any decision I ever made in my life.

LUNTZ:
And you know what? They broke him. They physically broke him. And when he --
cannot leave -- raise his arm above his head, and he doesn't walk without a
limp. Physically, he paid the price, but that was a decision, and he's never
really talked about it until this forum.


SEAN HANNITY (co-host): Hey, Frank, by the way, just one observation. He looked like he's
50 years old in this thing. Did he -- did you notice the vibrancy? He looked
young. He looked healthy. I love not -- seeing him not having a
tie.

    
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<td width="100%" style="font:9pt Verdana,Arial,Sans-serif;vertical-align:top;"><span style="color:#808080;font-variant:small-caps;">Mediamatters.Org</span> - On the August 18 edition of Fox
News' Hannity & Colmes,
pollster Frank Luntz falsely claimed that Sen. John McCain had "never
really talked about" his decision to refuse an offer of early release
from a North Vietnamese prison camp prior to mentioning it during his August 16
appearance at Pastor
Rick Warren's Saddleback Church. In fact, McCain has repeatedly cited his
refusal to accept an early release in a book, interviews, speeches, and
campaign ads since 1999, as Media Matters
for America has documented.

Luntz's false assertion that McCain
has only recently "talked about"
his refusal to accept an early release follows a
pattern in the media, including others on Fox News, promoting the notion that McCain has been reluctant to
discuss his time as a prisoner of war, despite his frequent references to it. 

From the August 18
edition of Fox News' Hannity &
Colmes:


ALAN COLMES (co-host): Obama, though, shows up in clearly what could be considered hostile
territory to some extent. He's not the home team there. He doesn't get to go last,
doesn't get the final word. And I -- and certainly had the -- certainly had the
crowd -- was appreciating many of the things he said. But I think he's being
undervalued in terms of his performance.

LUNTZ:
He did -- he did well. When I -- after the first hour, if we were dial-testing
it, you would have said that Barack Obama exceeded
expectations, but John McCain delivered. And we've got a couple segments to
show you.

There's
one where McCain was asked a question about a tough decision that he made, and
he talked about Vietnam
and the decision not to go home early. First person in has to be the first
person to leave. McCain decided to stay, and he talked about the consequences.
Let's listen.

McCAIN [video
clip]: I said no, and I'll never forget sitting, in my last answer, and the
high-ranking officer offered to slam the door, and the interrogator said,
"Go back to your cell. It's going to be very tough on you now." And
it was, but I -- not only the toughest decision I ever made, but I'm most happy
about that decision than any decision I ever made in my life.

LUNTZ:
And you know what? They broke him. They physically broke him. And when he --
cannot leave -- raise his arm above his head, and he doesn't walk without a
limp. Physically, he paid the price, but that was a decision, and he's never
really talked about it until this forum.


SEAN HANNITY (co-host): Hey, Frank, by the way, just one observation. He looked like he's
50 years old in this thing. Did he -- did you notice the vibrancy? He looked
young. He looked healthy. I love not -- seeing him not having a
tie.

    
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		<title>{ISSUES &gt; BIAS AND BALANCE} - Ignoring numerous speeches and statements, Hannity claims to "never hear" Obama discuss "how great this country is"</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 01:35:33 GMT</pubDate>
		<description>On the August 7 edition of Fox News' Hannity &amp; Colmes, while discussing
Sen. Barack Obama's comments during a campaign event the previous day,
co-host Sean Hannity asserted: "I never hear the inspiring -- where is
the inspiring rhetoric about how great this country is? I never hear him talk about that." In fact, Obama has regularly talked about "how
great this country is" in his speeches and writing, including in stating
that his personal background is "a story that could only happen in the
United States of America," describing America as "a magical
place" that has "shone as a beacon of freedom and
opportunity," and commenting on "the fundamental decency of the
American people." Hannity's
false suggestion that Obama "never" discusses "how great this
country is" occurred just days after he made several other false
generalizations concerning Obama -- that no "prominent Republican"
has "said that [Obama] is not patriotic,
or that he's got a funny name," and that "Obama can't point to a
single instance in which ... Sean Hannity or talk radio" has "made an
issue of Obama's race."

Obama has frequently praised this country: 

In his July 24 speech
     in Berlin, Germany,
     Obama said: "But I also know how much I love America. I know that for more
     than two centuries, we have strived -- at great cost and great sacrifice -- to form a more perfect
     union; to seek, with other nations, a more hopeful world."


While discussing energy in Dayton, Ohio,
     on July 11, Obama said:




In the last century, during the days
that followed the attack on Pearl Harbor, the
American people were asked, almost overnight, to transform a peacetime economy
that was still climbing out of
the depths of the great depression
into an arsenal of democracy that could wage war
across three continents. 

And many doubted
whether this could be achieved in time, or even at all. And Franklin Roosevelt's own advisers told him
that his goals for wartime production were unrealistic and impossible to meet.
But FDR simply waved
them off, saying, "Believe
me, the production people can do it if they really try." That was FDR's attitude: Don't
tell me we can't do it. Yes, we can.

Today, the challenges we face from our energy
dependence are great. Meeting
it will take time, and it won't
be easy, but if we're willing to work
at it, and invest in it, and sacrifice for it; if we're willing to summon the
same spirit of optimism and possibility that has defined this country's
greatest progress, then I believe that we, too,
can do it if we really
try.



In a
     January 3 speech
     in Iowa, Obama said: "Hope -- hope is what led me
     here today -- with
     a father from Kenya, a mother from Kansas,
     and a story that could only happen in the United States of America. Hope
     is the bedrock of this nation --
     the belief that our destiny will not be written for us, but by us, by all those men and
     women who are not content to settle for the world as it is, who have the courage
     to remake the world as it should be."




In a December 5, 2007, speech,
     Obama characterized Americans as heirs to "the legacy
     of a band of unlikely patriots who overthrew the tyranny of a King."



In his July 27, 2004, keynote
     address to the Democratic National Convention, Obama
     stated:




But my grandfather had larger dreams
for his son. Through hard work and perseverance, my father got a scholarship to study in a
magical place: America,
which shone as a beacon
of freedom and opportunity to so many who had come before.

[...]

In the end, that is God's greatest
gift to us, the bedrock of this nation; a belief in things not seen; a belief that there are better days ahead. I
believe that we can
give our middle class relief and provide working families with a road to
opportunity. I believe we can provide jobs to the jobless, homes to the
homeless, and reclaim young people in cities across America from violence and despair.
I believe that ... as
we stand on the crossroads of history, we can make the right choices, and meet
the challenges that face us.



On Page 8 of his book, The Audacity of Hope (Crown,
     2005), Obama writes:




This book grows directly out of
those conversations on
the campaign trail. Not
only did my encounters with voters confirm the fundamental decency of the
American people, they also reminded me that at the core of the American
experience are a set of ideals that continue to stir our collective conscience;
a common set of values that bind us together despite our differences; a running
thread of hope that makes our improbable experiment in democracy work. These values and ideals find
expression not just in the marble slabs of monuments or in the recitation of
history books. They
remain alive in the hears and minds of most Americans -- and can inspire us to pride, duty, and
sacrifice.


Obama concludes the book as follows:


And in that place [the National Mall
in Washington, D.C.],
I think about America
and those who built it. This
nation's founders, who somehow rose above petty ambitions and narrow
calculations to imagine a nation unfurling across a continent. And those like Lincoln and King, who
ultimately laid down their lives in the service of perfecting an imperfect
union. And all the faceless,
nameless men and women, slaves and soldiers and tailors and butchers,
constructing lives for themselves and their children and grandchildren, brick
by brick, rail by rail, calloused hand by calloused hand, to fill in the
landscape of our collective dreams. 

It is that process I wish to be a part of.

My heart is filled with love for this country. [Pages 361-362]



Media Matters has
previously documented examples of media figures falsely
claiming that Obama "dodg[es] the word and concept of patriotism"
or that his focus on patriotism is new. 

From the August 7 edition of Hannity &amp; Colmes:


COLMES: Do you think he hates America? Does Obama hate America?

HANNITY: "G-d America."


COLMES: Does Obama hate America?

HANNITY: William
Ayers, who bombed the Pentagon.

HUCKABEE: I don't think Obama hates America, but I think Obama's --

HANNITY: He said it's France.

HUCKABEE: -- got to clarify -- he's got to clarify that
what he loves about America
is the fact that he has broken a lot of barriers to be the nominee. And it's
really hard --

HANNITY: All right. I want to --

HUCKABEE: -- for me or anyone else to say, "Boy, America has really been really
tough on Barack Obama."
I think America's been pretty darn
good to Barack Obama,
and he ought to acknowledge that.

HANNITY: But he doesn't say it. And
that's the point. This comment to this young girl, "Oh, America is no longer what it could
be -- what it once was," first of all contradicts what his wife said
that she'd never been proud of her country, and America is a downright mean country, so, obviously,
the Obamas
are having a little conflict
within their own family about what -- the state of the country.

It -- I never hear the inspiring --
where is the inspiring rhetoric about how great this country is? I never hear him talk about
that.

HUCKABEE: I think one of the reasons
this race is tightening up is because Barack Obama is not the same candidate that he was during the
primary when he would read the prompter and he would give glowing speeches of
where we're going to do great things. He's now telling a 7-year-old that this
isn't all that great a country,
and you don't tell
7-year-olds that.

HANNITY: I want to talk about the
prompter versus his extemporaneous speaking. It seems he gets away from the
prompter, he's in trouble.

HUCKABEE: He's very good scripted, and he struggles when he's having to be
extemporaneous. And I think that's one of the reasons that he has not been
willing to go to the town hall format with John McCain. You know what? I'm not sure that I blame him
because John McCain handles that format beautifully.

HANNITY: And he doesn't speak as
well on the prompter. It's
just the opposite.


HUCKABEE: No, he's not a prompter guy.


    
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<td width="100%" style="font:9pt Verdana,Arial,Sans-serif;vertical-align:top;"><span style="color:#808080;font-variant:small-caps;">Mediamatters.Org</span> - On the August 7 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes, while discussing
Sen. Barack Obama's comments during a campaign event the previous day,
co-host Sean Hannity asserted: "I never hear the inspiring -- where is
the inspiring rhetoric about how great this country is? I never hear him talk about that." In fact, Obama has regularly talked about "how
great this country is" in his speeches and writing, including in stating
that his personal background is "a story that could only happen in the
United States of America," describing America as "a magical
place" that has "shone as a beacon of freedom and
opportunity," and commenting on "the fundamental decency of the
American people." Hannity's
false suggestion that Obama "never" discusses "how great this
country is" occurred just days after he made several other false
generalizations concerning Obama -- that no "prominent Republican"
has "said that [Obama] is not patriotic,
or that he's got a funny name," and that "Obama can't point to a
single instance in which ... Sean Hannity or talk radio" has "made an
issue of Obama's race."

Obama has frequently praised this country: 

In his July 24 speech
     in Berlin, Germany,
     Obama said: "But I also know how much I love America. I know that for more
     than two centuries, we have strived -- at great cost and great sacrifice -- to form a more perfect
     union; to seek, with other nations, a more hopeful world."


While discussing energy in Dayton, Ohio,
     on July 11, Obama said:




In the last century, during the days
that followed the attack on Pearl Harbor, the
American people were asked, almost overnight, to transform a peacetime economy
that was still climbing out of
the depths of the great depression
into an arsenal of democracy that could wage war
across three continents. 

And many doubted
whether this could be achieved in time, or even at all. And Franklin Roosevelt's own advisers told him
that his goals for wartime production were unrealistic and impossible to meet.
But FDR simply waved
them off, saying, "Believe
me, the production people can do it if they really try." That was FDR's attitude: Don't
tell me we can't do it. Yes, we can.

Today, the challenges we face from our energy
dependence are great. Meeting
it will take time, and it won't
be easy, but if we're willing to work
at it, and invest in it, and sacrifice for it; if we're willing to summon the
same spirit of optimism and possibility that has defined this country's
greatest progress, then I believe that we, too,
can do it if we really
try.



In a
     January 3 speech
     in Iowa, Obama said: "Hope -- hope is what led me
     here today -- with
     a father from Kenya, a mother from Kansas,
     and a story that could only happen in the United States of America. Hope
     is the bedrock of this nation --
     the belief that our destiny will not be written for us, but by us, by all those men and
     women who are not content to settle for the world as it is, who have the courage
     to remake the world as it should be."




In a December 5, 2007, speech,
     Obama characterized Americans as heirs to "the legacy
     of a band of unlikely patriots who overthrew the tyranny of a King."



In his July 27, 2004, keynote
     address to the Democratic National Convention, Obama
     stated:




But my grandfather had larger dreams
for his son. Through hard work and perseverance, my father got a scholarship to study in a
magical place: America,
which shone as a beacon
of freedom and opportunity to so many who had come before.

[...]

In the end, that is God's greatest
gift to us, the bedrock of this nation; a belief in things not seen; a belief that there are better days ahead. I
believe that we can
give our middle class relief and provide working families with a road to
opportunity. I believe we can provide jobs to the jobless, homes to the
homeless, and reclaim young people in cities across America from violence and despair.
I believe that ... as
we stand on the crossroads of history, we can make the right choices, and meet
the challenges that face us.



On Page 8 of his book, The Audacity of Hope (Crown,
     2005), Obama writes:




This book grows directly out of
those conversations on
the campaign trail. Not
only did my encounters with voters confirm the fundamental decency of the
American people, they also reminded me that at the core of the American
experience are a set of ideals that continue to stir our collective conscience;
a common set of values that bind us together despite our differences; a running
thread of hope that makes our improbable experiment in democracy work. These values and ideals find
expression not just in the marble slabs of monuments or in the recitation of
history books. They
remain alive in the hears and minds of most Americans -- and can inspire us to pride, duty, and
sacrifice.


Obama concludes the book as follows:


And in that place [the National Mall
in Washington, D.C.],
I think about America
and those who built it. This
nation's founders, who somehow rose above petty ambitions and narrow
calculations to imagine a nation unfurling across a continent. And those like Lincoln and King, who
ultimately laid down their lives in the service of perfecting an imperfect
union. And all the faceless,
nameless men and women, slaves and soldiers and tailors and butchers,
constructing lives for themselves and their children and grandchildren, brick
by brick, rail by rail, calloused hand by calloused hand, to fill in the
landscape of our collective dreams. 

It is that process I wish to be a part of.

My heart is filled with love for this country. [Pages 361-362]



Media Matters has
previously documented examples of media figures falsely
claiming 