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		<title>{MOVIES &gt; REVIEWS} - Australia</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:44:41 GMT</pubDate>
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Starring:
Nicole Kidman, Hugh Jackman, David Wenham, Jack Thompson, Bryan
B...
Review:
If looks were everything, director Baz Luhrmann's epic salute to
his native land would be the movie of the year. But, crikey, a
padded script bloated with subplots and shameless sentimentality
can wear you down. Nicole Kidman pushes way too hard (and the
strain shows) as Lady Sarah Ashley, a Brit snob who comes to
Australia in 1939 to catch her husband cheating and instead finds
him murdered. It's not long before she takes over his cattle ranch,
befriends a half-caste boy, Nullah (cutie Brandon Walters),
victimized by the government's racial policies against Aborigines,
and beds down with the Drover (a lively, sexy Hugh Jackman), the
cowboy who drives her cheeky bulls to market. There's also World
War II, the 1942 Japanese bombing of Darwin and umpteen choruses of
"Over the Rainbow," the...
Rating:
2 Stars

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Starring:
Nicole Kidman, Hugh Jackman, David Wenham, Jack Thompson, Bryan
B...
Review:
If looks were everything, director Baz Luhrmann's epic salute to
his native land would be the movie of the year. But, crikey, a
padded script bloated with subplots and shameless sentimentality
can wear you down. Nicole Kidman pushes way too hard (and the
strain shows) as Lady Sarah Ashley, a Brit snob who comes to
Australia in 1939 to catch her husband cheating and instead finds
him murdered. It's not long before she takes over his cattle ranch,
befriends a half-caste boy, Nullah (cutie Brandon Walters),
victimized by the government's racial policies against Aborigines,
and beds down with the Drover (a lively, sexy Hugh Jackman), the
cowboy who drives her cheeky bulls to market. There's also World
War II, the 1942 Japanese bombing of Darwin and umpteen choruses of
"Over the Rainbow," the...
Rating:
2 Stars

<blockquote style="background:#FAFAFA;border:1px dotted #E6E6E6;font:italic 10pt Times New Roman;padding:9px;"> Australia : Review : Rolling Stone {...} If looks were everything, director Baz Luhrmann's epic salute to his native land would be the movie... {...}</blockquote><div style="font:8pt Verdana,Arial;vertical-align:top;"><span style="color:#808080;">Published:</span> November 25, 2008, 5:44 pm - <span style="color:#808080;">Indexed:</span> November 27, 2008, 10:44 am - <span style="color:#808080;">Page Size:</span>&nbsp;41KB</div><div style="font:8pt Verdana,Arial;vertical-align:top;"><span style="color:#808080;">Category:</span> <a href="http://www.world-of-newave.info/arts/">Arts</a> &gt; <a href="http://www.world-of-newave.info/arts/movies/">Movies</a> &gt;  <a href="http://www.world-of-newave.info/arts/movies/reviews/"><b>Reviews</b></a></div></td></tr></table>
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		<title>{ISSUES &gt; BIAS AND BALANCE} - Radio host Baker referred to Thomas Beatie as a "mutilated lesbian"</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:01:15 GMT</pubDate>
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On the November 14 edition of his Minneapolis radio show, Chris Baker
repeatedly referred to Thomas Beatie, a pregnant transgender man, as a
"mutilated lesbian." He also referred to Beatie as a
"freak." Baker also stated: "If a lesbian gets pregnant, I'm fine with it. I'm OK. Just stop alternating reality and trying to force me to
buy into your psychosis." Baker made the comments while discussing
Barbara Walters' interview of
Beatie and his wife,
Nancy Beatie.

Guest co-host Nicole Remini said
of Walters' interview,
"[S]o Barbara
goes, 'Are you pregnant again?' Like, bluh. Sorry,
I just threw up in my mouth on the
radio." Remini added: "It's disgusting. I
really have a problem with it."

Though Beatie identifies
as a man, Remini, Baker, and
KTLK guest host Todd
Walker repeatedly referred to him as a female throughout the discussion. Baker
stated Beatie is "not a guy," while Remini said,
"You're a chick,"
and, "[S]top
saying you're a man." Walker
said,
"She's a man," and said, "[D]id you see her as a woman
when she was the beauty queen? She was pretty hot."

Baker also stated: "Excuse me, I don't believe you're a guy.
Can you stand up to pee? OK?
There you go.
Scoreboard."

Baker later said of Beatie: "She had her hoots
whittled off. And that's it. That's it. That's
it; that's all. And when I think of all the women out there
that have little hoots who would love to have those hoots, and this woman's throwing them
away."

ABC News reported in a
November 13 "Barbara Walters Exclusive" that the Beaties are
expecting their second child. Their first baby was born in June. 

As Media Matters for
America documented, on the April 4 edition
of MSNBC's Morning Joe,
after playing a clip of Beatie's April 3 appearance on Oprah to discuss Beatie's first pregnancy, co-host Mika
Brzezinski stated, "I'm going to be sick. I am going to be
sick." During the same discussion, host Joe Scarborough stated: "I
really do feel sick."

From the November 14 broadcast of KTLK's The Chris
Baker Show: 


BAKER: That mutilated
lesbian's running around claiming to be a pregnant guy again.

REMINI: She's pregnant again. It --

WALKER: She is? 

REMINI: Yes. You know? Ugh.

BAKER: And it's not a guy. Yet -- this freak is on with
Barbara Walters.

REMINI: Yeah.

BAKER: "Oh, the man is pregnant again." And this mutilated lesbian is
literally saying,
"Well, you know, after the first baby, I didn't want to go back to my
testosterone injections."

REMINI: Right. And
so Barbara goes,
"Are you pregnant again?" Like, bluh. Sorry,
I just threw up in my mouth on the
radio.

BAKER: How is that happening? 

REMINI: It's disgusting. I
really have a problem with it. 

BAKER: Look, you know what? I don't mind if -- look, I have no problem with
a lesbian being pregnant, OK?

REMINI: Right, but stop saying you're a man.

BAKER: If a lesbian gets pregnant --

WALKER: Yeah, but she's a man.

BAKER: -- I'm fine with it. I'm OK. Just stop alternating reality --

REMINI: Right.

BAKER: -- and trying to force me to buy into your
psychosis.

REMINI: Right. You're a chick.

WALKER: But did you see her as a woman
when she was the beauty queen? She was pretty hot.

REMINI: Was she?

BAKER: Right.

WALKER: Oh, she was smoking. I looked her up online.

BAKER: Right. She's a mental
case.

WALKER: She was -- I mean, she was an attractive, attractive woman.

BAKER: In order to --

REMINI: Her wife is not pretty.

BAKER: -- in order to undergo the so-called gender
reassignment surgery --
I'm telling you right now,
I'm gonna throw this entire theory right out the window, all right? Here's the truth. In order
to get this so-called gender reassignment surgery, a shrink has to diagnose you
with a mental disorder known as gender
-- what is it?
-- gender --

REMINI: Is it a transgender --

BAKER: Yeah. Gender identification --

WALKER: Gender confusion.

BAKER: -- gender identification disorder or some kind
of stuff. You're a nut, technically.

REMINI: Right. Right.

BAKER: You know, basically.

REMINI: Right.

BAKER: OK? Look, just -- we love you as you are as
a human being; just stop trying to screw up reality. [unintelligible]

REMINI: Yeah, Todd, I don't
need Botox.

BAKER: Excuse me, I don't believe you're a guy.
Can you stand up to pee? OK?
There you go.
Scoreboard.

WALKER: So, is everything gone down there with her?

REMINI: I think so.

BAKER: Everything is the same.

REMINI: Oh, no.
It's the same
because --

BAKER: It's a
woman.

REMINI: -- she had to be -- 'cause she had the baby.

BAKER: Right. She didn't even
have a cesarean, OK? How can you say, "I'm a guy," and you had a baby and it
wasn't even by cesarean?

WALKER: But didn't she have it
rebuilt so there's an outie down there, though?

REMINI: Oh, gosh.

WALKER: I think she did.

BAKER: No.
No. No,
not at all. That's why the whole thing is stupid.

WALKER: So, it's just a woman having a baby. [unintelligible]

BAKER: It's a mutilated
lesbian. She had --

REMINI: Who happens to have a beard.

WALKER: And who happens to have a moustache and beard, right.

BAKER: She had her hoots whittled
off. And that's it. That's it. That's
it; that's all. And when I think of all the women out there
that have little hoots who would love to have those hoots --

WALKER: Yeah.

BAKER: -- and this
woman's throwing them away.

REMINI: I'd like to fill my
hoots. Now,
that's something I'd like to do.

WALKER: Get rid of them?

REMINI: No, fill them.

WALKER: Fill -- really? Let's see them again.

[laughter]

BAKER: 651-989 --

REMINI: I have the best bra in the
world on today, too. I would share it.

WALKER: I don't think you -- there's any
reason to do anything with
them.

BAKER: -- 5855. 
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<td width="100%" style="font:9pt Verdana,Arial,Sans-serif;vertical-align:top;"><span style="color:#808080;font-variant:small-caps;">Mediamatters.Org</span> - 

On the November 14 edition of his Minneapolis radio show, Chris Baker
repeatedly referred to Thomas Beatie, a pregnant transgender man, as a
"mutilated lesbian." He also referred to Beatie as a
"freak." Baker also stated: "If a lesbian gets pregnant, I'm fine with it. I'm OK. Just stop alternating reality and trying to force me to
buy into your psychosis." Baker made the comments while discussing
Barbara Walters' interview of
Beatie and his wife,
Nancy Beatie.

Guest co-host Nicole Remini said
of Walters' interview,
"[S]o Barbara
goes, 'Are you pregnant again?' Like, bluh. Sorry,
I just threw up in my mouth on the
radio." Remini added: "It's disgusting. I
really have a problem with it."

Though Beatie identifies
as a man, Remini, Baker, and
KTLK guest host Todd
Walker repeatedly referred to him as a female throughout the discussion. Baker
stated Beatie is "not a guy," while Remini said,
"You're a chick,"
and, "[S]top
saying you're a man." Walker
said,
"She's a man," and said, "[D]id you see her as a woman
when she was the beauty queen? She was pretty hot."

Baker also stated: "Excuse me, I don't believe you're a guy.
Can you stand up to pee? OK?
There you go.
Scoreboard."

Baker later said of Beatie: "She had her hoots
whittled off. And that's it. That's it. That's
it; that's all. And when I think of all the women out there
that have little hoots who would love to have those hoots, and this woman's throwing them
away."

ABC News reported in a
November 13 "Barbara Walters Exclusive" that the Beaties are
expecting their second child. Their first baby was born in June. 

As Media Matters for
America documented, on the April 4 edition
of MSNBC's Morning Joe,
after playing a clip of Beatie's April 3 appearance on Oprah to discuss Beatie's first pregnancy, co-host Mika
Brzezinski stated, "I'm going to be sick. I am going to be
sick." During the same discussion, host Joe Scarborough stated: "I
really do feel sick."

From the November 14 broadcast of KTLK's The Chris
Baker Show: 


BAKER: That mutilated
lesbian's running around claiming to be a pregnant guy again.

REMINI: She's pregnant again. It --

WALKER: She is? 

REMINI: Yes. You know? Ugh.

BAKER: And it's not a guy. Yet -- this freak is on with
Barbara Walters.

REMINI: Yeah.

BAKER: "Oh, the man is pregnant again." And this mutilated lesbian is
literally saying,
"Well, you know, after the first baby, I didn't want to go back to my
testosterone injections."

REMINI: Right. And
so Barbara goes,
"Are you pregnant again?" Like, bluh. Sorry,
I just threw up in my mouth on the
radio.

BAKER: How is that happening? 

REMINI: It's disgusting. I
really have a problem with it. 

BAKER: Look, you know what? I don't mind if -- look, I have no problem with
a lesbian being pregnant, OK?

REMINI: Right, but stop saying you're a man.

BAKER: If a lesbian gets pregnant --

WALKER: Yeah, but she's a man.

BAKER: -- I'm fine with it. I'm OK. Just stop alternating reality --

REMINI: Right.

BAKER: -- and trying to force me to buy into your
psychosis.

REMINI: Right. You're a chick.

WALKER: But did you see her as a woman
when she was the beauty queen? She was pretty hot.

REMINI: Was she?

BAKER: Right.

WALKER: Oh, she was smoking. I looked her up online.

BAKER: Right. She's a mental
case.

WALKER: She was -- I mean, she was an attractive, attractive woman.

BAKER: In order to --

REMINI: Her wife is not pretty.

BAKER: -- in order to undergo the so-called gender
reassignment surgery --
I'm telling you right now,
I'm gonna throw this entire theory right out the window, all right? Here's the truth. In order
to get this so-called gender reassignment surgery, a shrink has to diagnose you
with a mental disorder known as gender
-- what is it?
-- gender --

REMINI: Is it a transgender --

BAKER: Yeah. Gender identification --

WALKER: Gender confusion.

BAKER: -- gender identification disorder or some kind
of stuff. You're a nut, technically.

REMINI: Right. Right.

BAKER: You know, basically.

REMINI: Right.

BAKER: OK? Look, just -- we love you as you are as
a human being; just stop trying to screw up reality. [unintelligible]

REMINI: Yeah, Todd, I don't
need Botox.

BAKER: Excuse me, I don't believe you're a guy.
Can you stand up to pee? OK?
There you go.
Scoreboard.

WALKER: So, is everything gone down there with her?

REMINI: I think so.

BAKER: Everything is the same.

REMINI: Oh, no.
It's the same
because --

BAKER: It's a
woman.

REMINI: -- she had to be -- 'cause she had the baby.

BAKER: Right. She didn't even
have a cesarean, OK? How can you say, "I'm a guy," and you had a baby and it
wasn't even by cesarean?

WALKER: But didn't she have it
rebuilt so there's an outie down there, though?

REMINI: Oh, gosh.

WALKER: I think she did.

BAKER: No.
No. No,
not at all. That's why the whole thing is stupid.

WALKER: So, it's just a woman having a baby. [unintelligible]

BAKER: It's a mutilated
lesbian. She had --

REMINI: Who happens to have a beard.

WALKER: And who happens to have a moustache and beard, right.

BAKER: She had her hoots whittled
off. And that's it. That's it. That's
it; that's all. And when I think of all the women out there
that have little hoots who would love to have those hoots --

WALKER: Yeah.

BAKER: -- and this
woman's throwing them away.

REMINI: I'd like to fill my
hoots. Now,
that's something I'd like to do.

WALKER: Get rid of them?

REMINI: No, fill them.

WALKER: Fill -- really? Let's see them again.

[laughter]

BAKER: 651-989 --

REMINI: I have the best bra in the
world on today, too. I would share it.

WALKER: I don't think you -- there's any
reason to do anything with
them.

BAKER: -- 5855. 
<blockquote style="background:#FAFAFA;border:1px dotted #E6E6E6;font:italic 10pt Times New Roman;padding:9px;">Media Matters - Radio host Baker referred to Thomas Beatie as a "mutilated lesbian" {...} On his Minneapolis radio show, Chris Baker repeatedly referred to Thomas Beatie, a pregnant transgender man, as a "mutilated lesbian" and called Beatie a "freak." Baker also stated: "If a lesbian gets pregnant, I&#39;m fine with it. I&#39;m OK. Just stop alternating reality and trying to force me to buy into your psychosis." {...}</blockquote><div style="font:8pt Verdana,Arial;vertical-align:top;"><span style="color:#808080;">Published:</span> November 17, 2008, 4:01 pm - <span style="color:#808080;">Indexed:</span> November 18, 2008, 10:29 am - <span style="color:#808080;">Page Size:</span>&nbsp;21KB</div><div style="font:8pt Verdana,Arial;vertical-align:top;"><span style="color:#808080;">Category:</span> <a href="http://www.world-of-newave.info/society/">Society</a> &gt; <a href="http://www.world-of-newave.info/society/issues/">Issues</a> &gt; <a href="http://www.world-of-newave.info/society/issues/business/">Business</a> &gt; <a href="http://www.world-of-newave.info/society/issues/business/media/">Media</a> &gt;  <a href="http://www.world-of-newave.info/society/issues/business/media/bias-and-balance/"><b>Bias and Balance</b></a></div></td></tr></table>
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		<title>{HEALTH &gt; NEWS AND MEDIA} - Exclusive: Pregnant Man Expecting Again</title>
		<link>http://articles.world-of-newave.info/health/news-and-media/exclusive-pregnant-man-expecting-again-20081161124.htm</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:02:28 GMT</pubDate>
		<description>Thomas Beatie tells Barbara Walters he is pregnant with his second child.</description>
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<td width="100%" style="font:9pt Verdana,Arial,Sans-serif;vertical-align:top;"><span style="color:#808080;font-variant:small-caps;">Abcnews.Go.Com</span> - Thomas Beatie tells Barbara Walters he is pregnant with his second child.<blockquote style="background:#FAFAFA;border:1px dotted #E6E6E6;font:italic 10pt Times New Roman;padding:9px;">ABC News: Barbara Walters Exclusive: Pregnant Man Expecting Second Child {...} Pregnant man, Thomas Beatie, tells Barbara Walters he is expecting again. Thomas gave birth to daughter Susan last year and he and wife Nancy tell Walters about their life. {...}</blockquote><div style="font:8pt Verdana,Arial;vertical-align:top;"><span style="color:#808080;">Published:</span> November 13, 2008, 9:02 pm - <span style="color:#808080;">Indexed:</span> November 14, 2008, 11:09 am - <span style="color:#808080;">Page Size:</span>&nbsp;94KB</div><div style="font:8pt Verdana,Arial;vertical-align:top;"><span style="color:#808080;">Category:</span> <a href="http://www.world-of-newave.info/health/">Health</a> &gt;  <a href="http://www.world-of-newave.info/health/news-and-media/"><b>News and Media</b></a></div></td></tr></table>
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		<title>{ISSUES &gt; BIAS AND BALANCE} - Hasselbeck, Shepherd still advance skewed View on California's Prop 8</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 22:42:02 GMT</pubDate>
		<description>

During the November 10 edition of ABC's The View, co-hosts Elisabeth Hasselbeck
and Sherri Shepherd again promoted the falsehood that without the passage
of Proposition 8,
the California ballot initiative to amend the state constitution to ban
same-sex marriage, members of the clergy could be jailed for refusing to
perform same-sex marriages. Hasselbeck again referred to a Swedish priest who she
falsely claimed was jailed
"for not wanting to perform a marriage ceremony." And after being
confronted with language from the California Supreme Court majority decision
stating that clergy members will not be required to perform same-sex marriages,
Shepherd suggested that that there is an "other side" to the issue.
In fact, neither Proposition 8 -- which sought to overturn the California
Supreme Court's May 15 ruling that
affirmed the constitutional right of same-sex couples to marry -- nor the
Supreme Court decision itself had anything to do with members of the clergy. 

As Media Matters for
America documented, on November 6, Shepherd
said: "I don't want to know
that my pastor -- because, you know, the church is preaching against
homosexuality, and I don't want to know that my pastor could be jailed."

In fact, as co-host Whoopi Goldberg noted on November 10
while citing information from the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation
(GLAAD), the California Supreme Court majority opinion made clear that its
decision did not have any impact on clergy, stating that "no religion will
be required to change its policies or practices with regard to same-sex
couples, and no religious officiant will be required to solemnize a marriage in
contravention of his or her religious beliefs." Nevertheless, referencing
advertisements suggesting that ministers could be jailed, Shepherd said,
"[Y]ou know, GLAAD said. ... I would like to hear the other side."
But no "other side" exists on the question of whether members of
the clergy could be jailed for failing to perform same-sex marriages. The claim
that absent passage of Proposition 8, members of the clergy could have been
jailed in such circumstances is simply false. From the November 10 edition of The View: 


SHEPHERD: Right. Well, I feel at a
disadvantage here because, you know, we're getting from GLAAD what they
say. I think the other side has -- would probably disagree. I don't know.
So, if somebody else has -- 

GOLDBERG: Well, as I am saying to
you, I checked the laws on two out of three of these.

SHEPHERD: Well, you know, I saw, you
know, the ads going, you know, "The minister will be jailed";
"No, they won't." You know, so, it's like, again --

HASSELBECK: I think, too --

SHEPHERD: I hear you. I just said,
you know, GLAAD said --

HASSELBECK: You want the other side.

SHEPHERD: I would like to hear the
other side. 


Further, during the program, Hasselbeck repeatedly falsely
claimed that Prop 8 won 62 percent of the vote; in fact, Prop 8 garnered 52.3
percent of the vote, according to the California Secretary of State's
office.

From the November 10 edition of ABC's The View: 


GOLDBERG: As you said, we did have a
really, really spirited discussion about Prop 8. And Barbara and I both got
phone calls from Ellen [DeGeneres].

BARBARA WALTERS (co-host): We should tell them what
Proposition 8 is.

GOLDBERG: Yes, I was gonna to let
you.

WALTERS: Oh, thanks.

OFF-CAMERA: Go ahead.

WALTERS: Well, Proposition 8 was put
on the agenda in California,
which banned same-sex marriage, which had been allowed. And Ellen called Whoopi
and then called me because she was listening to our discussion, and there were
some things about it that she liked or didn't like. And we were talking
about the fact that there were some people who felt that churches could lose
their tax exempt if they didn't perform same-sex marriages, and we were
raising other que-- and would that mean that same-sex marriage would have to be
taught in school and so on?

And what Ellen's fear was, was
that her marriage to Portia [de Rossi] and other marriages would be declared
invalid. So we called Jerry Brown -- remember Jerry Brown? -- who is the
attorney general of California, who said,
"The language of Proposition 8 is silent on retroactivity, and California law generally
provides the laws apply only prospectively." And he said, as the attorney
general, "I will defend in court the marriages contracted before that
Proposition 8 was signed." So Ellen and other people who were married
before this -- right, Whoopi? -- is protected.

HASSELBECK: So it's not
retroactive. 

WALTERS: Well, you know, somebody
could protest that, but that's the way it is for now.

GOLDBERG: But GLAAD, the Gay and
Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, were also watching our Hot Topics that
day, and they have sent us what they call fact and fiction. And a coup-- we
were able to check out two things before we got on, but the third thing, which
is this one, I was not able to get another source on.

But GLAAD says that the fiction is,
"Teaching kids about same-sex marriage will happen here in California unless we
pass Prop 8." GLAAD is saying the fact is, "Not one word in Prop 8
mentions education, and no child can be forced against a parent's will to
be taught anything health and family issues at school." That is the law
in California.

The second thing: The fiction that
we were all believing was that churches could lose tax-exemption status. The
fact is, the court decision that said same-sex marriage is legal says, "No
religion will be required to change its religious policies with regard to
same-sex couples, and no religious officiant will be required to solemnize a
marriage in contravention of his or her religious beliefs."

HASSELBECK: As is stated in the --

GOLDBERG: As is stated in the law.
It is law. Fact -- fiction: "If Prop 8 isn't passed, people can be
sued over personal beliefs." The fact of the matter is in California -- California's
law already prohibits discrimination against anyone based on race, sex,
religion, gender, or sexual orientation. So those are the -- 

HASSELBECK: What is classified as
discrim-- like, when we talk -- 'cause we talked about the case -- was it
in Sweden?
-- when the priest was originally put in prison for not wanting to perform a
marriage ceremony.

GOLDBERG: I can't speak to
Swedish law. I can only speak to the law that exists right now in California. And that --

HASSELBECK: Are they exempt from
that? The churches are exempt?

GOLDBERG: They are. They -- California law prohibits
discrimination against anyone based on race, religion, gender, or sexual
orientation. So you cannot be sued over your personal beliefs.

WALTERS: But you know, what we were
talking about was that you had said that you had mixed feelings about this.
And, in truth, a great many people do. I mean, it's against whatever
their ethical beliefs are, whatever their feeling is that matrimony is between
a man or a woman. This was something you were expressing.

SHEPHERD: Right. Well, I feel at a
disadvantage here because, you know, we're getting from GLAAD what they
say. I think the other side has -- would probably disagree. I don't know.
So, if somebody else has -- 

GOLDBERG: Well, as I am saying to
you, I checked the laws on two out of three of these.

SHEPHERD: Well, you know, I saw, you
know, the ads going, you know, "The minister will be jailed";
"No, they won't." You know, so, it's like, again --

HASSELBECK: I think, too --

SHEPHERD: I hear you. I just said,
you know, GLAAD said --

HASSELBECK: You want the other side.

SHEPHERD: I would like to hear the
other side.

HASSELBECK: It's important
that the 62 percent of the popular vote was -- came out and said they
didn't want the word "marriage" redefined, they wanted to
protect the institution of marriage as it has been defined. And I think what
happened -- this is a reaction to the Supreme Court legislating from the bench.
They said, "No, you know what? This is about what the people want, and
you tried to overreach."

And so I thought the people came out
and said in terms of how our system should work, how it should work for them is
best when it represents what they want. And I'm happy about that because
it think that's -- 

GOLDBERG: It's -- it is
unfortunate that people used not-honest things to go about it, because if the
fear -- if people put fear into people and made them believe things that
weren't true, that's not how you want somebody to vote. You want
them to vote the truth, and you want them to vote their heart.

Now, maybe they would have voted the
same way. But I'm saying to you that the law facts are, as they exist --
the only thing that I cannot say factually, 'cause I haven't read
it myself, and we were not able to get it up quick enough -- that doesn't
sound right -- get it to our attention fast enough, was that teaching kids
about same-sex marriage. That's the one I have not been able to verify
beyond that.

[...]


HASSELBECK: And it does change -- it
does trickle down to what your kids are taught. I think that's what
people vote on. Sixty-two percent of those people wanted to preserve it so that
when their kids are taught something, they know what it is. 
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During the November 10 edition of ABC's The View, co-hosts Elisabeth Hasselbeck
and Sherri Shepherd again promoted the falsehood that without the passage
of Proposition 8,
the California ballot initiative to amend the state constitution to ban
same-sex marriage, members of the clergy could be jailed for refusing to
perform same-sex marriages. Hasselbeck again referred to a Swedish priest who she
falsely claimed was jailed
"for not wanting to perform a marriage ceremony." And after being
confronted with language from the California Supreme Court majority decision
stating that clergy members will not be required to perform same-sex marriages,
Shepherd suggested that that there is an "other side" to the issue.
In fact, neither Proposition 8 -- which sought to overturn the California
Supreme Court's May 15 ruling that
affirmed the constitutional right of same-sex couples to marry -- nor the
Supreme Court decision itself had anything to do with members of the clergy. 

As Media Matters for
America documented, on November 6, Shepherd
said: "I don't want to know
that my pastor -- because, you know, the church is preaching against
homosexuality, and I don't want to know that my pastor could be jailed."

In fact, as co-host Whoopi Goldberg noted on November 10
while citing information from the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation
(GLAAD), the California Supreme Court majority opinion made clear that its
decision did not have any impact on clergy, stating that "no religion will
be required to change its policies or practices with regard to same-sex
couples, and no religious officiant will be required to solemnize a marriage in
contravention of his or her religious beliefs." Nevertheless, referencing
advertisements suggesting that ministers could be jailed, Shepherd said,
"[Y]ou know, GLAAD said. ... I would like to hear the other side."
But no "other side" exists on the question of whether members of
the clergy could be jailed for failing to perform same-sex marriages. The claim
that absent passage of Proposition 8, members of the clergy could have been
jailed in such circumstances is simply false. From the November 10 edition of The View: 


SHEPHERD: Right. Well, I feel at a
disadvantage here because, you know, we're getting from GLAAD what they
say. I think the other side has -- would probably disagree. I don't know.
So, if somebody else has -- 

GOLDBERG: Well, as I am saying to
you, I checked the laws on two out of three of these.

SHEPHERD: Well, you know, I saw, you
know, the ads going, you know, "The minister will be jailed";
"No, they won't." You know, so, it's like, again --

HASSELBECK: I think, too --

SHEPHERD: I hear you. I just said,
you know, GLAAD said --

HASSELBECK: You want the other side.

SHEPHERD: I would like to hear the
other side. 


Further, during the program, Hasselbeck repeatedly falsely
claimed that Prop 8 won 62 percent of the vote; in fact, Prop 8 garnered 52.3
percent of the vote, according to the California Secretary of State's
office.

From the November 10 edition of ABC's The View: 


GOLDBERG: As you said, we did have a
really, really spirited discussion about Prop 8. And Barbara and I both got
phone calls from Ellen [DeGeneres].

BARBARA WALTERS (co-host): We should tell them what
Proposition 8 is.

GOLDBERG: Yes, I was gonna to let
you.

WALTERS: Oh, thanks.

OFF-CAMERA: Go ahead.

WALTERS: Well, Proposition 8 was put
on the agenda in California,
which banned same-sex marriage, which had been allowed. And Ellen called Whoopi
and then called me because she was listening to our discussion, and there were
some things about it that she liked or didn't like. And we were talking
about the fact that there were some people who felt that churches could lose
their tax exempt if they didn't perform same-sex marriages, and we were
raising other que-- and would that mean that same-sex marriage would have to be
taught in school and so on?

And what Ellen's fear was, was
that her marriage to Portia [de Rossi] and other marriages would be declared
invalid. So we called Jerry Brown -- remember Jerry Brown? -- who is the
attorney general of California, who said,
"The language of Proposition 8 is silent on retroactivity, and California law generally
provides the laws apply only prospectively." And he said, as the attorney
general, "I will defend in court the marriages contracted before that
Proposition 8 was signed." So Ellen and other people who were married
before this -- right, Whoopi? -- is protected.

HASSELBECK: So it's not
retroactive. 

WALTERS: Well, you know, somebody
could protest that, but that's the way it is for now.

GOLDBERG: But GLAAD, the Gay and
Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, were also watching our Hot Topics that
day, and they have sent us what they call fact and fiction. And a coup-- we
were able to check out two things before we got on, but the third thing, which
is this one, I was not able to get another source on.

But GLAAD says that the fiction is,
"Teaching kids about same-sex marriage will happen here in California unless we
pass Prop 8." GLAAD is saying the fact is, "Not one word in Prop 8
mentions education, and no child can be forced against a parent's will to
be taught anything health and family issues at school." That is the law
in California.

The second thing: The fiction that
we were all believing was that churches could lose tax-exemption status. The
fact is, the court decision that said same-sex marriage is legal says, "No
religion will be required to change its religious policies with regard to
same-sex couples, and no religious officiant will be required to solemnize a
marriage in contravention of his or her religious beliefs."

HASSELBECK: As is stated in the --

GOLDBERG: As is stated in the law.
It is law. Fact -- fiction: "If Prop 8 isn't passed, people can be
sued over personal beliefs." The fact of the matter is in California -- California's
law already prohibits discrimination against anyone based on race, sex,
religion, gender, or sexual orientation. So those are the -- 

HASSELBECK: What is classified as
discrim-- like, when we talk -- 'cause we talked about the case -- was it
in Sweden?
-- when the priest was originally put in prison for not wanting to perform a
marriage ceremony.

GOLDBERG: I can't speak to
Swedish law. I can only speak to the law that exists right now in California. And that --

HASSELBECK: Are they exempt from
that? The churches are exempt?

GOLDBERG: They are. They -- California law prohibits
discrimination against anyone based on race, religion, gender, or sexual
orientation. So you cannot be sued over your personal beliefs.

WALTERS: But you know, what we were
talking about was that you had said that you had mixed feelings about this.
And, in truth, a great many people do. I mean, it's against whatever
their ethical beliefs are, whatever their feeling is that matrimony is between
a man or a woman. This was something you were expressing.

SHEPHERD: Right. Well, I feel at a
disadvantage here because, you know, we're getting from GLAAD what they
say. I think the other side has -- would probably disagree. I don't know.
So, if somebody else has -- 

GOLDBERG: Well, as I am saying to
you, I checked the laws on two out of three of these.

SHEPHERD: Well, you know, I saw, you
know, the ads going, you know, "The minister will be jailed";
"No, they won't." You know, so, it's like, again --

HASSELBECK: I think, too --

SHEPHERD: I hear you. I just said,
you know, GLAAD said --

HASSELBECK: You want the other side.

SHEPHERD: I would like to hear the
other side.

HASSELBECK: It's important
that the 62 percent of the popular vote was -- came out and said they
didn't want the word "marriage" redefined, they wanted to
protect the institution of marriage as it has been defined. And I think what
happened -- this is a reaction to the Supreme Court legislating from the bench.
They said, "No, you know what? This is about what the people want, and
you tried to overreach."

And so I thought the people came out
and said in terms of how our system should work, how it should work for them is
best when it represents what they want. And I'm happy about that because
it think that's -- 

GOLDBERG: It's -- it is
unfortunate that people used not-honest things to go about it, because if the
fear -- if people put fear into people and made them believe things that
weren't true, that's not how you want somebody to vote. You want
them to vote the truth, and you want them to vote their heart.

Now, maybe they would have voted the
same way. But I'm saying to you that the law facts are, as they exist --
the only thing that I cannot say factually, 'cause I haven't read
it myself, and we were not able to get it up quick enough -- that doesn't
sound right -- get it to our attention fast enough, was that teaching kids
about same-sex marriage. That's the one I have not been able to verify
beyond that.

[...]


HASSELBECK: And it does change -- it
does trickle down to what your kids are taught. I think that's what
people vote on. Sixty-two percent of those people wanted to preserve it so that
when their kids are taught something, they know what it is. 
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During the November 7 edition of
ABC's The View, while discussing the passage
of Proposition 8,
the California ballot initiative amending the state constitution to ban
same-sex marriage and effectively overturning the California Supreme
Court's May 15 ruling that affirmed
the constitutional right of same-sex couples to marry, co-host Elisabeth Hasselbeck asserted that a "priest"
in Sweden was "put in jail for not wanting to perform a marriage to a gay
couple, so then they put
him in jail because the law stated that you could not discriminate based on sexual
preference." Later in the discussion, co-host Sherri Shepherd said:
"I don't want to know that my pastor --
because, you know, the church is preaching against homosexuality, and I
don't want to know that my pastor could be jailed." However,
contrary to Hasselbeck and Shepherd's suggestion that as a result of the
California Supreme Court's ruling -- or without the passage of
Proposition 8 -- members of the clergy "could be
jailed" for refusing to perform gay marriages, neither the decision by
the California Supreme Court, nor
Proposition 8 had anything to do with members of the clergy.

The
California Supreme Court's ruling applied only to state officials. The
ruling directed "state officials [] [to] take all necessary and appropriate steps so that
local officials may begin issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples"
[emphasis added]. The court itself noted the irrelevance of its decision to clergy,
saying in the majority opinion that "no religion will be required to
change its policies or practices with regard to same-sex couples, and no
religious officiant will be required to solemnize a marriage in contravention
of his or her religious beliefs." 

Additionally, contrary to Hasselbeck's assertion that
a Swedish priest was jailed
"for not wanting to perform a marriage to a gay couple," Swedish
Pastor Ake Green reportedly
was convicted in 2004 under Sweden's hate crimes law for making
incendiary statements
about gays and lesbians, including
calling them "a deep cancer tumor on all of
society." In November 2005, his conviction was overturned by Sweden's highest court, which
reportedly said his sermon "was protected by freedom of speech and
religion."

From the November 7 edition of
ABC's The View:


WHOOPI
GOLDBERG (co-host): I don't know if you all are aware of this, but a
record number of minority voters turned out for the election, and apparently it
helped socially conservative victories on issues like gay marriage. In California,
they've -- there is now a ban on gay marriage, and they're trying
to revoke the rights that were initially given to folks who are gay married
couples who are trying to take the rights away -- 

BARBARA
WALTERS (co-host): By the state Supreme Court.

GOLDBERG:
By the state Supreme Court -- said yes, that was OK, it was fine.

WALTERS:
The state Supreme Court voted that gay marriage was legal.
Our friend Ellen DeGeneres, for example, got married, and it was extremely important to her and her
partner, of course, and now Proposition 8 proclaims that -- puts a ban on gay
marriage. And one of the reasons we were talking about it earlier was that some
church groups opposed it because they said if a church group said, "We will
not do a gay marriage, OK?" They could be sued and they could lose their
tax-exempt status if they -- if their religion or whatever it is precludes their doing -- having gay marriage. And
that also it would
mean that gay marriage could be taught in schools, if they wanted to.

GOLDBERG:
I don't understand that.

WALTERS:
Which don't you understand?

GOLDBERG:
How would it be taught in schools? I mean, marriage isn't taught in
schools, so why would gay marriage be taught in schools?

WALTERS:
Well, in the same way sex education is taught in some -- or discussed. I don't know that it --
this is -- I'm
telling you their fears, not my fear -- that it could be, that if somebody brought it up,
it's something that could be discussed or something that could be in the
curriculum. Who knows? But the bigger issue seems to have been the churches.
Certain churches.

HASSELBECK:
It was said with precedent, I think, in Sweden
there was a church, a priest who was then jailed, and I think since then
released. But he was put in jail for not wanting to perform a marriage to a gay
couple, so then they
put him in jail because the law stated that you could not discriminate based on sexual preference, I
believe. But this is --
I guess 5 million people voted and wanted to protect the definition of marriage
as it had been stated,
and I think that people felt a victory in California because it was --
it came from the people,
that these people came out and
voted. It
wasn't set by judges, so I think that's where they
were coming from.

SHEPHERD:
This is also -- this
is also -- you know, you said that they -- this is also the second time this has been up for a
vote. The first time, the people
said, "No, we don't want gay marriage."

WALTERS:
And then it went to the court.

SHEPHERD:
Then they overturned it and
the people voted against, so this is the second time.

WALTERS:
You know, I didn't know that a proposition, that is an amendment to the
state constitution, superseded the state Supreme Court.

GOLDBERG:
Neither did I.

WALTERS:
You know, I thought the Supreme Court was the final word, but evidently, the
finally word is the amendment.

HASSELBECK:
But their argument there I guess was -- are you to legislate from the bench. It kind of goes back
to that argument, and that the actual amendment should come -- if they're
going to do anything to the constitution, it should come from the people, as it is for the people.

GOLDBERG:
Well, the people should also be given all the information, and not frightened
into things. Now, I think if kids who are the product of a gay couple are asked
about it in school, they should be able to explain it, and that's
shouldn't be afraid -- that shouldn't be something that frightens
people. I always say, look, if you think gay marriage is wrong, don't
marry a gay person. You know what I mean? But wait, wait -- because pretty much
-- and I've been around a lot of gay people most of my life, and gay
people do not -- and there are always boneheads everywhere, let's get
that -- there are straight boneheads, and gay boneheads, and boneheads
everywhere. But I believe most gay people who want to go get married do not
want to go someplace that doesn't want them to -- they
don't --

WALTERS:
They won't go to the church.

GOLDBERG:
-- they wouldn't go to the churches. That's why we do it in the
backyards -- not we, like I'm gay -- but I have been at so many gay
marriages -- you know you always talk about being the bridesmaid? I'm the
bride's thing, whatever. You know?

HASSELBECK:
It's interesting that the actual majority of the votes -- I mean, I guess
it was at the urban minority communities voted overwhelmingly for this
proposition.

GOLDBERG:
Yes. They were told in the churches that people would be teaching it in the
schools if they allowed it. I'm just telling you what, what --

SHEPHERD:
But also -- excuse me, also not only that, but you know, I don't want to
know that my pastor -- because, you know, the church is preaching against
homosexuality, and I don't want to know that my pastor could be jailed,
sent to jail because he's preaching something that's --

WALTERS:
But you know, that is so --

[crosstalk]

WALTERS:
Supposedly, if a preacher -- under -- if the ban did not pass, and a preacher preached against
homosexuality, which you say happens in churches that you've been to, he
could be, quote, jailed, because he is preaching --

SHEPHERD:
I don't know what the quote is around jailed. Jailed is jailed.

WALTERS:
Well, because he could be jailed. But I mean, I think that's really
rather farfetched that they're going to come --

SHEPHERD:
No, it's not farfetched at all.

WALTERS:
Well, that's why the ban --

SHEPHERD:
Somebody was jailed.

WALTERS:
You would have voted for the ban?

SHEPHERD:
It's something that I struggle with because, you know, I have my friends
who are gay, my uncle Tommy, uncle Jimmy, as Jeffrey likes to call them. And
it's something that I struggle with because I don't want rights
taken away from people, you know, being able to care for their partners and,
you know, rights that they have. And then also, too, I am a Christian and I
believe that marriage is between a man and a woman. So it is a struggle that I
have.

WALTERS:
But you see, my point is, and again -- you know, I'm sort of saying a
little bit of what Whoopi said -- the idea that a preacher who preached against
homosexuality, that the law enforcement, that the -- I don't know, the
local sheriff would come in and say, "You're against the law,
we're going to jail you." Now, is it possible? Yes.

GOLDBERG:
Anything is possible.

HASSELBECK:
We're a litigious society. I mean, I think there are lawsuits that get
brought up all the time, and I don't think anyone would hesitate to bring
a lawsuit --

GOLDBERG:
Yeah, I do, I do. Because this was so important to folks because it's not
just about being gay, and it's not just about partnership. If the state
and the country were to allow gay partners the same rights as married people
have, this wouldn't be an issue. But the issue -- but the issue is --

HASSELBECK:
But would you want -- if that were the case, would you then be OK with it not
being called marriage?

GOLDBERG:
I would -- I'm not gay, so I don't know, but I can only speak for
what I see. As we said a couple of days ago, if I -- if Sherry and I were
married, and we have built our life together, and I die, you, my cousin, could
come in and say,
"I'm taking everything that you guys [inaudible]."
That's the law, because --

[crosstalk]

HASSELBECK:
But you do have rights as a -- difference state to state is the problem.

GOLDBERG:
Civil unions do not allow me to die and you to automatically get my stuff.

WALTERS:
It could also affect children.

GOLDBERG:
It can affect -- also, if we've adopted children, they can come, you can
come, and grab that child. If we can find, if the states can say this is what
civil union is, it is everything but the word, people I think would be more
happy.

WALTERS:
Another proposition -- another proposition that I believe, and I could be
wrong, I have to check the information, but one of the states prohibited gay
people from adopting children. We talked about that. 

GOLDBERG:
Which drives me crazy, yeah.

WALTERS:
Was it Nebraska?
I don't want to say it, I don't think so. Somebody look it up and -- somebody
look it up and whisper in my ear.
Where is it? Not Oregon.
No.

GOLDBERG:
No, Florida
has always had that law.

WALTERS:
We'll find out and tell you. But the idea that there are children who
could be adopted who might not be adopted, I mean, that -- I mean, the gay
marriage, I can see, really --

GOLDBERG:
We'll find out in the commercial break.
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During the November 7 edition of
ABC's The View, while discussing the passage
of Proposition 8,
the California ballot initiative amending the state constitution to ban
same-sex marriage and effectively overturning the California Supreme
Court's May 15 ruling that affirmed
the constitutional right of same-sex couples to marry, co-host Elisabeth Hasselbeck asserted that a "priest"
in Sweden was "put in jail for not wanting to perform a marriage to a gay
couple, so then they put
him in jail because the law stated that you could not discriminate based on sexual
preference." Later in the discussion, co-host Sherri Shepherd said:
"I don't want to know that my pastor --
because, you know, the church is preaching against homosexuality, and I
don't want to know that my pastor could be jailed." However,
contrary to Hasselbeck and Shepherd's suggestion that as a result of the
California Supreme Court's ruling -- or without the passage of
Proposition 8 -- members of the clergy "could be
jailed" for refusing to perform gay marriages, neither the decision by
the California Supreme Court, nor
Proposition 8 had anything to do with members of the clergy.

The
California Supreme Court's ruling applied only to state officials. The
ruling directed "state officials [] [to] take all necessary and appropriate steps so that
local officials may begin issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples"
[emphasis added]. The court itself noted the irrelevance of its decision to clergy,
saying in the majority opinion that "no religion will be required to
change its policies or practices with regard to same-sex couples, and no
religious officiant will be required to solemnize a marriage in contravention
of his or her religious beliefs." 

Additionally, contrary to Hasselbeck's assertion that
a Swedish priest was jailed
"for not wanting to perform a marriage to a gay couple," Swedish
Pastor Ake Green reportedly
was convicted in 2004 under Sweden's hate crimes law for making
incendiary statements
about gays and lesbians, including
calling them "a deep cancer tumor on all of
society." In November 2005, his conviction was overturned by Sweden's highest court, which
reportedly said his sermon "was protected by freedom of speech and
religion."

From the November 7 edition of
ABC's The View:


WHOOPI
GOLDBERG (co-host): I don't know if you all are aware of this, but a
record number of minority voters turned out for the election, and apparently it
helped socially conservative victories on issues like gay marriage. In California,
they've -- there is now a ban on gay marriage, and they're trying
to revoke the rights that were initially given to folks who are gay married
couples who are trying to take the rights away -- 

BARBARA
WALTERS (co-host): By the state Supreme Court.

GOLDBERG:
By the state Supreme Court -- said yes, that was OK, it was fine.

WALTERS:
The state Supreme Court voted that gay marriage was legal.
Our friend Ellen DeGeneres, for example, got married, and it was extremely important to her and her
partner, of course, and now Proposition 8 proclaims that -- puts a ban on gay
marriage. And one of the reasons we were talking about it earlier was that some
church groups opposed it because they said if a church group said, "We will
not do a gay marriage, OK?" They could be sued and they could lose their
tax-exempt status if they -- if their religion or whatever it is precludes their doing -- having gay marriage. And
that also it would
mean that gay marriage could be taught in schools, if they wanted to.

GOLDBERG:
I don't understand that.

WALTERS:
Which don't you understand?

GOLDBERG:
How would it be taught in schools? I mean, marriage isn't taught in
schools, so why would gay marriage be taught in schools?

WALTERS:
Well, in the same way sex education is taught in some -- or discussed. I don't know that it --
this is -- I'm
telling you their fears, not my fear -- that it could be, that if somebody brought it up,
it's something that could be discussed or something that could be in the
curriculum. Who knows? But the bigger issue seems to have been the churches.
Certain churches.

HASSELBECK:
It was said with precedent, I think, in Sweden
there was a church, a priest who was then jailed, and I think since then
released. But he was put in jail for not wanting to perform a marriage to a gay
couple, so then they
put him in jail because the law stated that you could not discriminate based on sexual preference, I
believe. But this is --
I guess 5 million people voted and wanted to protect the definition of marriage
as it had been stated,
and I think that people felt a victory in California because it was --
it came from the people,
that these people came out and
voted. It
wasn't set by judges, so I think that's where they
were coming from.

SHEPHERD:
This is also -- this
is also -- you know, you said that they -- this is also the second time this has been up for a
vote. The first time, the people
said, "No, we don't want gay marriage."

WALTERS:
And then it went to the court.

SHEPHERD:
Then they overturned it and
the people voted against, so this is the second time.

WALTERS:
You know, I didn't know that a proposition, that is an amendment to the
state constitution, superseded the state Supreme Court.

GOLDBERG:
Neither did I.

WALTERS:
You know, I thought the Supreme Court was the final word, but evidently, the
finally word is the amendment.

HASSELBECK:
But their argument there I guess was -- are you to legislate from the bench. It kind of goes back
to that argument, and that the actual amendment should come -- if they're
going to do anything to the constitution, it should come from the people, as it is for the people.

GOLDBERG:
Well, the people should also be given all the information, and not frightened
into things. Now, I think if kids who are the product of a gay couple are asked
about it in school, they should be able to explain it, and that's
shouldn't be afraid -- that shouldn't be something that frightens
people. I always say, look, if you think gay marriage is wrong, don't
marry a gay person. You know what I mean? But wait, wait -- because pretty much
-- and I've been around a lot of gay people most of my life, and gay
people do not -- and there are always boneheads everywhere, let's get
that -- there are straight boneheads, and gay boneheads, and boneheads
everywhere. But I believe most gay people who want to go get married do not
want to go someplace that doesn't want them to -- they
don't --

WALTERS:
They won't go to the church.

GOLDBERG:
-- they wouldn't go to the churches. That's why we do it in the
backyards -- not we, like I'm gay -- but I have been at so many gay
marriages -- you know you always talk about being the bridesmaid? I'm the
bride's thing, whatever. You know?

HASSELBECK:
It's interesting that the actual majority of the votes -- I mean, I guess
it was at the urban minority communities voted overwhelmingly for this
proposition.

GOLDBERG:
Yes. They were told in the churches that people would be teaching it in the
schools if they allowed it. I'm just telling you what, what --

SHEPHERD:
But also -- excuse me, also not only that, but you know, I don't want to
know that my pastor -- because, you know, the church is preaching against
homosexuality, and I don't want to know that my pastor could be jailed,
sent to jail because he's preaching something that's --

WALTERS:
But you know, that is so --

[crosstalk]

WALTERS:
Supposedly, if a preacher -- under -- if the ban did not pass, and a preacher preached against
homosexuality, which you say happens in churches that you've been to, he
could be, quote, jailed, because he is preaching --

SHEPHERD:
I don't know what the quote is around jailed. Jailed is jailed.

WALTERS:
Well, because he could be jailed. But I mean, I think that's really
rather farfetched that they're going to come --

SHEPHERD:
No, it's not farfetched at all.

WALTERS:
Well, that's why the ban --

SHEPHERD:
Somebody was jailed.

WALTERS:
You would have voted for the ban?

SHEPHERD:
It's something that I struggle with because, you know, I have my friends
who are gay, my uncle Tommy, uncle Jimmy, as Jeffrey likes to call them. And
it's something that I struggle with because I don't want rights
taken away from people, you know, being able to care for their partners and,
you know, rights that they have. And then also, too, I am a Christian and I
believe that marriage is between a man and a woman. So it is a struggle that I
have.

WALTERS:
But you see, my point is, and again -- you know, I'm sort of saying a
little bit of what Whoopi said -- the idea that a preacher who preached against
homosexuality, that the law enforcement, that the -- I don't know, the
local sheriff would come in and say, "You're against the law,
we're going to jail you." Now, is it possible? Yes.

GOLDBERG:
Anything is possible.

HASSELBECK:
We're a litigious society. I mean, I think there are lawsuits that get
brought up all the time, and I don't think anyone would hesitate to bring
a lawsuit --

GOLDBERG:
Yeah, I do, I do. Because this was so important to folks because it's not
just about being gay, and it's not just about partnership. If the state
and the country were to allow gay partners the same rights as married people
have, this wouldn't be an issue. But the issue -- but the issue is --

HASSELBECK:
But would you want -- if that were the case, would you then be OK with it not
being called marriage?

GOLDBERG:
I would -- I'm not gay, so I don't know, but I can only speak for
what I see. As we said a couple of days ago, if I -- if Sherry and I were
married, and we have built our life together, and I die, you, my cousin, could
come in and say,
"I'm taking everything that you guys [inaudible]."
That's the law, because --

[crosstalk]

HASSELBECK:
But you do have rights as a -- difference state to state is the problem.

GOLDBERG:
Civil unions do not allow me to die and you to automatically get my stuff.

WALTERS:
It could also affect children.

GOLDBERG:
It can affect -- also, if we've adopted children, they can come, you can
come, and grab that child. If we can find, if the states can say this is what
civil union is, it is everything but the word, people I think would be more
happy.

WALTERS:
Another proposition -- another proposition that I believe, and I could be
wrong, I have to check the information, but one of the states prohibited gay
people from adopting children. We talked about that. 

GOLDBERG:
Which drives me crazy, yeah.

WALTERS:
Was it Nebraska?
I don't want to say it, I don't think so. Somebody look it up and -- somebody
look it up and whisper in my ear.
Where is it? Not Oregon.
No.

GOLDBERG:
No, Florida
has always had that law.

WALTERS:
We'll find out and tell you. But the idea that there are children who
could be adopted who might not be adopted, I mean, that -- I mean, the gay
marriage, I can see, really --

GOLDBERG:
We'll find out in the commercial break.
<blockquote style="background:#FAFAFA;border:1px dotted #E6E6E6;font:italic 10pt Times New Roman;padding:9px;">Media Matters - Absurd View : Hasselbeck, Shepherd suggest clergy could have been jailed without Prop 8 {...} On The View, Elisabeth Hasselbeck and Sherri Shepherd both suggested that without Proposition 8, a California ballot measure to amend the state constitution to reverse the California Supreme Court&#39;s ruling in favor of same-sex marriage, members of the clergy who refused to perform same-sex marriage ceremonies could have been prosecuted. In fact, as the court itself made clear, the ruling applied only to state officials, and " no religious officiant will be required to solemnize a marriage in contravention of his or her religious beliefs." {...}</blockquote><div style="font:8pt Verdana,Arial;vertical-align:top;"><span style="color:#808080;">Published:</span> November 10, 2008, 2:33 pm - <span style="color:#808080;">Indexed:</span> November 11, 2008, 12:42 pm - <span style="color:#808080;">Page Size:</span>&nbsp;27KB</div><div style="font:8pt Verdana,Arial;vertical-align:top;"><span style="color:#808080;">Category:</span> <a href="http://www.world-of-newave.info/society/">Society</a> &gt; <a href="http://www.world-of-newave.info/society/issues/">Issues</a> &gt; <a href="http://www.world-of-newave.info/society/issues/business/">Business</a> &gt; <a href="http://www.world-of-newave.info/society/issues/business/media/">Media</a> &gt;  <a href="http://www.world-of-newave.info/society/issues/business/media/bias-and-balance/"><b>Bias and Balance</b></a></div></td></tr></table>
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Via Marijuana Policy Project comes this new campaign from the department of outgoing White House drug czar John Walters. Released this week, it likely hoped to counter the recent public opinion regarding marijuana decriminalization in Massachusetts and medical marijuana in Michigan. <blockquote style="background:#FAFAFA;border:1px dotted #E6E6E6;font:italic 10pt Times New Roman;padding:9px;">White House Says Get High, Buy Burritos. » Adrants {...} </blockquote><div style="font:8pt Verdana,Arial;vertical-align:top;"><span style="color:#808080;">Published:</span> November 7, 2008, 6:25 pm - <span style="color:#808080;">Indexed:</span> November 8, 2008, 10:19 am - <span style="color:#808080;">Page Size:</span>&nbsp;40KB</div><div style="font:8pt Verdana,Arial;vertical-align:top;"><span style="color:#808080;">Category:</span> <a href="http://www.world-of-newave.info/business/">Business</a> &gt; <a href="http://www.world-of-newave.info/business/marketing-and-advertising/">Marketing and Advertising</a> &gt; <a href="http://www.world-of-newave.info/business/marketing-and-advertising/advertising/">Advertising</a> &gt;  <a href="http://www.world-of-newave.info/business/marketing-and-advertising/advertising/news-and-media/"><b>News and Media</b></a></div></td></tr></table>
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		<title>{MOTORSPORTS &gt; FORMULA ON} - Jon On New Deal</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:10:41 GMT</pubDate>
		<description>Town winger Jon Walters says he aims to get Town into the Premiership now he has signed a contract extension at Portman Road.
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		<description>Town manager Jim Magilton has revealed that Town are in talks with Jon Walters about the possibility of extending his Town contract beyond 2011.
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		<title>{EUROPE &gt; NEWS AND MEDIA} - US elections: Thank you, Roanoke, and goodbye</title>
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		<description>So it's over. What started with bluegrass ended with Falstaff. There have been no more raccoons (although I did see a whole family of five scuttling across Jefferson last week). And while I confess I am still baffled by the squeamishness of some locals over being associated with bluegrass (I have yet to hear mention of another kind of music that could be associated with the area), I understand much more now why so many are proud of Roanoke and were sensitive to the possibility that it would be maligned or caricatured on the international stage.Friendly, vibrant, engaging, complex, diverse (economically more than ethnically) are just a few descriptions that spring to mind. The photo gallery that accompanies this piece hopefully gives a flavour of the city in all its glory and gory daily life. I also stand by my original description of Roanoke as eccentric. One evening I discussed pillaging with a man dressed as a Viking. His beard was plaited and he had an Obama sticker on his helmet. He said the woman with him was not his girlfriend, she just made his mead. It's not that people didn't notice, but the fact he was dressed as a Viking didn't seem to come up in any conversation. When I brought it up it was like I was the strange one. It was just one evening; and he was just one Viking. But along with the Obama supporter who wouldn't hear a bad word said about the confederate general Robert E Lee, the drama over the mouse infestation in the city market (did the mayor really compare it to 9/11?) and the lady with the monkey and the hats at NoShame Theatre, I don't think "eccentric" is a push. Particularly after the Nader voter who brandished a gun in my direction.On one of my last nights in town I bumped into Chris Walters, last seen at the Republican vice-presidential debate watching party a few weeks back. We were at the urinals in Fork in the Alley and Chris thought this would be an ideal time to impugn my journalism. He said I misquoted him as saying: "I didn't dislike John McCain. But he is an independent thinker and I'm a conservative." I checked. I didn't. He then told me I had come "with an agenda". I reminded him that I was one of the few people who had suggested that "Palin had edged it". Chris said if that was true he would apologise. I'm still waiting. I guess being a Republican means never having to say you're sorry.But he was right on one thing. I did come with an agenda. To find out how this election was playing out in Roanoke, on issues both big and small. There were some stories I wish I'd had the time to pursue. I wanted to do one on gay life in the town, which seems to be a hub for gay folk from many miles around. I also wanted to write about the large number of mixed-race couples I seemed to spot everywhere. A few had spoken to me about issues with their extended families (some of them political) that I thought were intriguing. Most criminally I did not cover the war. I did make some calls, which lead to nothing. But since it kept not coming up I decided not to force it. Then at the Obama rally his biggest cheer was when he promised to stop the war. And I thought - it's in there somewhere, I wish I'd spent more time on it.Finally I wish I'd been able to get a better sense of what the Republicans were up to. I tried. God knows I tried. But while those on the Obama campaign were extremely friendly and open, the Republicans were ... well, more elusive. I sent two emails to the local Republican functionary, Mr Reedy, telling him "I'm very keen to cover some Republican activities in the area and was wondering if you could point me in the right direction. "We spent a morning, with a cameraman, at the Democratic party offices yesterday morning, spoke to some of their volunteers and went out canvassing with them. I was wondering if there was anything similar we could do with the Republican volunteers. "We are committed, whenever possible, to present local politics in its entirety in a fair and balanced manner." I thought the fair and balanced thing might reel him in. No dice.I went by the office but he told me not to come in as no one would be able to speak to me without prior approval from on high. I blame this on the organisation. Most Republicans I did actually meet outside the campaign and away from the urinals were quite pleasant. Sarah Palin is coming to the next-door town of Salem on Monday. I wish I could be here to see itSo with all those omissions what did I find out? That the Obama campaign seems better organized, better funded and in better spirits. That both parties have problems with their bases - Republicans with evangelicals and Democrats with African Americans. But while the Democratic problem is purely organisational, the Republican problem is more profoundly political. If the Republicans are fighting hard here, then they are fighting hard almost everywhere. And that means they are in serious trouble.I came because I thought it would be interesting. It was. But I didn't count on it actually being fun. So thank you, Roanoke. And goodbye.·  Contact Gary Younge at g.younge@guardian.co.ukUS elections 2008United StatesDemocratsRepublicansguardian.co.uk © Guardian News &amp; Media Limited 2008 | Use of this content is subject to our Terms &amp; Conditions | More Feeds</description>
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<td width="100%" style="font:9pt Verdana,Arial,Sans-serif;vertical-align:top;"><span style="color:#808080;font-variant:small-caps;">Www.Guardian.Co.Uk</span> - So it's over. What started with bluegrass ended with Falstaff. There have been no more raccoons (although I did see a whole family of five scuttling across Jefferson last week). And while I confess I am still baffled by the squeamishness of some locals over being associated with bluegrass (I have yet to hear mention of another kind of music that could be associated with the area), I understand much more now why so many are proud of Roanoke and were sensitive to the possibility that it would be maligned or caricatured on the international stage.Friendly, vibrant, engaging, complex, diverse (economically more than ethnically) are just a few descriptions that spring to mind. The photo gallery that accompanies this piece hopefully gives a flavour of the city in all its glory and gory daily life. I also stand by my original description of Roanoke as eccentric. One evening I discussed pillaging with a man dressed as a Viking. His beard was plaited and he had an Obama sticker on his helmet. He said the woman with him was not his girlfriend, she just made his mead. It's not that people didn't notice, but the fact he was dressed as a Viking didn't seem to come up in any conversation. When I brought it up it was like I was the strange one. It was just one evening; and he was just one Viking. But along with the Obama supporter who wouldn't hear a bad word said about the confederate general Robert E Lee, the drama over the mouse infestation in the city market (did the mayor really compare it to 9/11?) and the lady with the monkey and the hats at NoShame Theatre, I don't think "eccentric" is a push. Particularly after the Nader voter who brandished a gun in my direction.On one of my last nights in town I bumped into Chris Walters, last seen at the Republican vice-presidential debate watching party a few weeks back. We were at the urinals in Fork in the Alley and Chris thought this would be an ideal time to impugn my journalism. He said I misquoted him as saying: "I didn't dislike John McCain. But he is an independent thinker and I'm a conservative." I checked. I didn't. He then told me I had come "with an agenda". I reminded him that I was one of the few people who had suggested that "Palin had edged it". Chris said if that was true he would apologise. I'm still waiting. I guess being a Republican means never having to say you're sorry.But he was right on one thing. I did come with an agenda. To find out how this election was playing out in Roanoke, on issues both big and small. There were some stories I wish I'd had the time to pursue. I wanted to do one on gay life in the town, which seems to be a hub for gay folk from many miles around. I also wanted to write about the large number of mixed-race couples I seemed to spot everywhere. A few had spoken to me about issues with their extended families (some of them political) that I thought were intriguing. Most criminally I did not cover the war. I did make some calls, which lead to nothing. But since it kept not coming up I decided not to force it. Then at the Obama rally his biggest cheer was when he promised to stop the war. And I thought - it's in there somewhere, I wish I'd spent more time on it.Finally I wish I'd been able to get a better sense of what the Republicans were up to. I tried. God knows I tried. But while those on the Obama campaign were extremely friendly and open, the Republicans were ... well, more elusive. I sent two emails to the local Republican functionary, Mr Reedy, telling him "I'm very keen to cover some Republican activities in the area and was wondering if you could point me in the right direction. "We spent a morning, with a cameraman, at the Democratic party offices yesterday morning, spoke to some of their volunteers and went out canvassing with them. I was wondering if there was anything similar we could do with the Republican volunteers. "We are committed, whenever possible, to present local politics in its entirety in a fair and balanced manner." I thought the fair and balanced thing might reel him in. No dice.I went by the office but he told me not to come in as no one would be able to speak to me without prior approval from on high. I blame this on the organisation. Most Republicans I did actually meet outside the campaign and away from the urinals were quite pleasant. Sarah Palin is coming to the next-door town of Salem on Monday. I wish I could be here to see itSo with all those omissions what did I find out? That the Obama campaign seems better organized, better funded and in better spirits. That both parties have problems with their bases - Republicans with evangelicals and Democrats with African Americans. But while the Democratic problem is purely organisational, the Republican problem is more profoundly political. If the Republicans are fighting hard here, then they are fighting hard almost everywhere. And that means they are in serious trouble.I came because I thought it would be interesting. It was. But I didn't count on it actually being fun. So thank you, Roanoke. And goodbye.·  Contact Gary Younge at g.younge@guardian.co.ukUS elections 2008United StatesDemocratsRepublicansguardian.co.uk © Guardian News & Media Limited 2008 | Use of this content is subject to our Terms & Conditions | More Feeds<blockquote style="background:#FAFAFA;border:1px dotted #E6E6E6;font:italic 10pt Times New Roman;padding:9px;">			US elections: Thank you, Roanoke, and goodbye |				World news |				guardian.co.uk	 {...} Gary Younge went to Roanoke, Virginia, to find out how the election was playing out. 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